[Bretonnia][2000][Tourney]

[×ÏVÏøøÐz×]

Just making a tourney list for my Bretonnians, incase I ever end up entering one. :) Wouldn't mind some input. Tried osmething very different...so...yea. Dunno how well it would work. I seem to have taken a liking to Questing Knights 0_o

Lords

Bretonnian Lord w/ Questing Vow, Sword of the Quest, Cuirass of Fortune, Insignia of the Quest, Barded Warhorse, shield (246) *General; With Questing Knights

Heroes

Paladin BSB w/ Vitue of Duty; War Banner (129) *With 1st unit of Knights

Damsel w/ Chalice of Malfleur, Dispel Scroll (115)
Damsel w/ 2x Dispel Scrolls (120)

Core

6x Knights w/ Full Command (168)
7x Knights w/ Full Command (192)
7x Knights w/ Full Command (192)

12x Peasant Bowmen w/ Defensive Stakes (72)
12x Peasant Bowmen w/ Defensive Stakes (72)

10x Peasant Bowmen w/ Skirmishers (70)

Special

6x Questing Knights w/ Full Command; Twilight Banner (220)
7x Questing Knights w/ Full Command (223)

Rare

Trebuchet
Trebuchet

Any thoughts? I'll elaborate mroe on my plans on how I'll use it later, I have work soon so am rushed. :smt011

[Baragash]

Questing Knights are not generally considered a great choice at the moment.

Equipment vs another Knight:
+ve: +1S in all rounds of CC
-ve: -1 Save due to no shield
-ve: -1S on the charge in comparison

With good movement decisions I could see this list working, although I'd feel a bit more comfortable with Mounted Yeoman or Pegasus Knights in the list.

[×ÏVÏøøÐz×]

I actually was going to include some Yeoman, but I opted for mroe Questing Knights. I could probably however, with dropping one unit, add in a small group of Pegasus Knigths and Yeoman (yeoman are 101 points for 5, not too bad IMO, and should leave room for at least three Pegasus Knights, if my math isn't wrong, which it usually is wrong....yep....Pegasus Knights are 5 5 points a pop -.-'')

I don't particularly understand why people don't like questing Knights. I mean sure they have great weapons, which means they have one less S than normal Knights, but really; they constantly get a S5 attack, instead of one round of S6. I know great weapons are frowned upon, but the thing I like about them is they always get a S bonus, isntead of just one round of S6 or the like. Oh, they also do have shields.

I think though I wil drop the one unit of 7, to add in some faster units. I'm eager to see how my Lord does though, being able to ignore saves should be fun...

Regarding the rest of the list. Do you think, when I drop the 7 Questing Knights, I should possibly add in a unit of 25 Men at Arms? One unit should suffice to guard the Trebuchets or bowmen. I dunno though. I'm definately droppong the one unit of Questing knights. I haven't used them, but I love the models adn fluff for them, so I figure I'd try them. :)

Edit: nevermind all the stuff I said about Questing Knights, you already said most of that ugh...I need sleep...sorreh. :P

[gralph!?!]

the thing is, the questin knights are able to fight prolnged combats which is very usefulbut if you use the lance formation it means bugger and and you shouldn't bother with them. as after the charge then you only get base to base attacks, and because alot of bretonians use the lance formation to allot for faster wheels and turns it means the questing knights are slower than other knights.

i would be tempted to drop a unit of bowmen with stakes as a single one with stakes in a 2 rank formation should do fine for holding your trebuchet in good ground.

dropping a single unit of questing knights is going to be a good idea, the 7 strong unit are expensive and for the points a unit of pegasusknights and mounted yeomen are incredably useful, both cna hunt warmachines, while one is great at flank charging and the other is good for catching fleeing troops/attacking monsters.

a unit of 20 men at rms is a good idea, but notfor your reaon, they will help with protractedcombats with your knights, so then theyadd a good rank bonus to your side and since you cannot lose points for a peasant standard bearer it is more combat res that is a good purchase.

personal opinion, i would also drop a second trebuchet and instead have 4-5 grail knights, it is alot of attacks and immune to psychology and magical makes you increadably handy for cracking into a big unit tocause some damage, if you had the BSB in the unit with them then that would be even more horrifiyng with the auto +3 to combat res he gives.

also, what kind of knights are your core choices. cause there are 2 types of knights each have differant uses. :wink:

[×ÏVÏøøÐz×]

Hmmm..How about this list? I dropped Questing Knights altogether. I doubt they'll do well in a toruney, Grai lKngiths are tried and proven to be more effective. Besides, I can alwas try out Questing Knights in friendly games. :wink:

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Lords

Bretonnian Lord w/ Grail Vow, Sword of the Lady's Champion, Grail Shield, Virtue of Purity (254) *With Grail Knights

Heroes

Paladin BSB w/ Virtue of Duty, War Banner (129) *With first unit of KoTR

Damsel w/ 2x Dispel Scrolls (120)
Damsel w/ Dispel Scroll, Chalice of Malfleur (115)

Core

6x Knights of the Realm w/ Full Command; Conquerer's Tapestry (193)
7x Knights of the Realm w/ Full Command (192)

12x Peasant Bowmen w/ Defensive Stakes (72)
12x Peasant Bowmen w/ Defensive Stakes (72)

25x Men at Arms w/ Full Command (152)

Special

4x Pegasus Knights w/ Gallant, Musician (230)

5x Mounted Yeoman w/ Musician, Shields, Standard (101)

Rare

5x Grail Knights w/ Standard, Musician, Twilight Banner (245)

Trebuchet

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Not sure if thats much of an improvement, but I figure it may do a bit better. Any thoughts? I thought of, as well, mocing the Paladin to the Grail Knights, and the Lord to the first unit of Knights, so as my General has less of a chance to be targettd. But I dunno.... :?

[Baragash]

I like the look of the 2nd list a lot.

(Also, Questing Knight may have shields, but they can't use them in CC if using the GW).