[Mafia 28] Blood On The Water (TOWN/LOVER/LYNCHER VICTORY)

[ShadowSplicer57]

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The city of Venice, a city of romantic literature and scenery, where the light of the stars reflects upon the glimmering water streets and music fills the air with its soothing harmony. For ages travelers have beheld its sights of iridescent beauty as a beacon of light in an increasingly darkening world, a place for one to catch their breath and ignore the coming night. But day is ending, and all is not as it should be in the city of canals. Those who once saw their family name at the height of power have grown tired of standing idly by as peaceful institution takes its place, from the ashes, the Cardemone Family has risen again. It started, as such terrifying things often do, with the slightest hint, rumors. But now, it has escalated far beyond mere words, people have gone missing, and the city's lights grow darker with each passing night. Tension among the local populace grows fierce as loyalties begin to waver and bitter questions arise, the coming days will decide the future of Venice itself. In the final hours before the coming storm, it is unclear who will live to see victory in the end. But one thing is certain: There will be blood. Blood on the water.

Welcome to Mafia 28, Blood On The Water.

Alright so this will be my debut as a Mafia Moderator, and I decided to take on a slightly more classic setting for the game, so as you can see it is set in Italy and contains, well, Mafia! That said, I'm aiming at having this be a 12-player game so it's not too hard on me as a first time Moderator, and I'll be running it with about the same general rules that Malk ran his on. Likewise, postgame review of how I did as a moderator and my roleset would be nice too. We will likely start shortly after the end of Malk's current game. Never played Mafia before? Check out this informative link (http://www.40kforums.com/vb/showthread.php/34316-Mafia-Information-and-Mod-Waiting-List)!

Days will last for one week and Nights will be 48 hours. The first Day Phase will be cut down to 4 real life days to speed things along.

Shamelessly Stolen Rules
1) You may only post in the thread if you are alive. Contentless death posts are allowed, but only if they are absolutely contentless.
2) You may not communicate privately at any point unless told so by me.
3) I expect you to post at least once every 72 hours. If you don't post within a 72-hour interval I'll send you a reminder PM; if you don't post within the 24-hour interval after that I'll start looking for a replacement and mod-kill you if I can't find one. The interval will be reset after the end of each day.
4) You may not directly quote anything I send you privately, but you may paraphrase.
5) You may not edit posts (not even to correct grammar and spelling mistakes). Double and triple posting is allowed as long as you add more content or reeeally feel the need to "edit".

Attempts to dishonestly circumvent any of these rules may result in a mod-kill depending on the effect on the game.

Players Remaining:
1. Beeva
2. Enigmacookie
5. MalkThe2nd
6. Sneggy
7. Baragash
9. Loner
10. DrakonTheNightLord
11. Diagnosis Ninja
Death Tally:
3. Stalker21, Innocent Townie (Killed by an angry mob Day One.)
4. Aussie01, Innocent Townie (Throat slit Night One.)
8. Xarboth, Mafia Rolecop (Decapitated by resistance Day Two)
12. Pox, Innocent Townie (Killed on a balcony Night Two.)
13. Kilroy, Innocent Townie (Shot in the head Night Two.)

[Beeva]

In! Aiming to live past day 2 this time!

[Enigmacookie]

ININ

[Diagnosis Ninja]

Only if I'm position 11.

[Stalker21]

I am in, plox?

[Aussie01]

In plox

[MalkThe2nd]

I haz Cult Leader plox?

[sneggy]

In, could I not be mafia for once so I stand some chance of not being a suspicious and evil bastard.

[Baragash]

Rub-a-dub-dub

[Xarboth]

In!

[Loner]

In! :D

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Paraguay has come!

(On a different note, you sure you want to run this with your Mass Effect hype still on a high?)

[Pox]

*puts head in lynch* go on then if you need numbers to make the game run.

[ShadowSplicer57]

Ninja'd by Pox.

Paraguay has come!

(On a different note, you sure you want to run this with your Mass Effect hype still on a high?)
Don't worry, I won't let Mass Effect get in the way. Besides I've been taking Mass Effect 3 kind of slow so I enjoy it more anyway so I have time for Mafia Modding.

[Diagnosis Ninja]

Wait, isn't this the same crowd as Mafia 27? FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU-

[MalkThe2nd]

Wait, isn't this the same crowd as Mafia 27? FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU-

+1

People should hint if they have any powers so I can cultify them quicker.

[Aussie01]

+1

People should hint if they have any powers so I can cultify them quicker.

+2

[Kilroy]

Is there still room?

[Beeva]

Wouldn't feel right if we can't Vote:Kilroy on Day 1.

[ShadowSplicer57]

Kilroy, you are in.

Role PM's going out. Day One will begin shortly.

[ShadowSplicer57]

The city of Venice, Italy is beautiful, flickering candlelight dots the landscape of narrow river-streets and songs creep down from lit houses to fill in the aroma that brings so many visitors to the town. But, all is not as it may seem. For the deep forgotten roots of family names long forgotten have begun to once more claim their titles among the city as the Cardemone Mafia Family rises to a swift and unforeseen seat of terrible power. It was not even a month ago that the murders had begun to occur, in which the mutilated bodies of their opposition were found dead in the street, but now, anyone is fair game as the Mafia begins its dreadful ascension into prominence. A darkness is coming upon the city even as the first hours of daylight gleam across the sparkling waters and people creep from their canal-side houses, this story, is just beginning...

It is now Day One. A majority of 7 votes is required for the lynch. 96 hours remain until deadline.

[Beeva]

Vote: Kilroy

[Xarboth]

Vote: Pox

Pox is the new Kilroy.

[Enigmacookie]

Vote: Drakon

Is he even in this game?

[Pox]

Vote: Pox

Pox is the new Kilroy.

indeed - *sticks head in noose and tugs at the rope a few times.* guess now would be the time I say that I am a normal townie with no powers of any kind, or claim to be superman or just simply fart around the thread *wonders if his words have any meaning in mafia anymore since no-one will believe me after the last couple of games*

oh and Vote Xarboth he is always too clever for his own good, either town or mafia.

[Aussie01]

Vote: EC The cookie monster asked me too.

[Diagnosis Ninja]

Mulder, where are you?

Shit, wrong game.

vote: my one true love

[Loner]

So... Pox is the new Kilroy and Xarboth is the new Pox?
Vote Sneggy!
Saying I'm an easy target... >.>

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Just because I like it :P

Vote: Enigmacookie.

[MalkThe2nd]

Vote: Baragash

Revenge vote from 2 games ago. :P

[MalkThe2nd]

3 games ago? You kill me, and now I vote you!

[Kilroy]

Vote: Diagnosisninja
For killing me based on something I miswrote last game (you read people underestimate my subltety, I meant overestimate.) That was one of many, many times where such a thing happened. |:/

[MalkThe2nd]

Inorite! It was a self-fulfilling prophecy in a way.

That was like a test for me as mod. Must... say... nothing!

[Diagnosis Ninja]

Vote: Diagnosisninja
For killing me based on something I miswrote last game (you read people underestimate my subltety, I meant overestimate.) That was one of many, many times where such a thing happened. |:/

Hey, it was Day 1. Just like it is today.

Kill:Kilroy

[Beeva]

Unvote: Kilroy

Joking aside, I've seen the debates fore/against abstaining in the past few games and I get the idea. To be honest though after looking at the past few games I really can't see how lynching a probable townie has helped at all. We've still had nothing to go on Day 2!

So...

Vote: Abstain.

[Diagnosis Ninja]

He's at it again! Get him!

[Baragash]

Vote: Beeva

Calling for abstain this early on... really? [-X

FoS: Malk

He's too emotionally involved in this game, or he's pretending to be....... :P

[MalkThe2nd]

Oh, you can expect me to be super active this game lol.

All that time I had to spend watching... All the tells people missed that I could have brought up...

I feel like I'm bursting with mafioso-smiting energy.

[Beeva]

Vote: Beeva

Calling for abstain this early on... really?

Whaaaat?

I r serious Beeva :\

[Baragash]

I r serious "haven't we got over abstaining yet?" Bara ;)

[Diagnosis Ninja]

The city of Venice, Italy is beautiful, flickering candlelight dots the landscape of narrow river-streets and songs creep down from lit houses to fill in the aroma that brings so many visitors to the town. But, all is not as it may seem. For the deep forgotten roots of family names long forgotten have begun to once more claim their titles among the city as the Cardemone Mafia Family rises to a swift and unforeseen seat of terrible power. It was not even a month ago that the murders had begun to occur, in which the mutilated bodies of their opposition were found dead in the street, but now, anyone is fair game as the Mafia begins its dreadful ascension into prominence. A darkness is coming upon the city even as the first hours of daylight gleam across the sparkling waters and people creep from their canal-side houses, this story, is just beginning...

It is now Day One. A majority of 7 votes is required for the lynch. 96 hours remain until deadline.
I think I know who we're looking for...

Who here is called Cardemone? Pretty sure it's them.

[Stalker21]

Will any members of the Cardemone family please stand up?

*Waits expectantly*

[Kilroy]

I personally don't understand why we are still arguing about abstaining. I'll reiterate my thoughts about it again. What's the point in delaying the first lynch until the second day? By abstaining we gain little information about anyone on the first day. I'm a little weirded out by this move seeing as we've essentially had this argument every first day phase. It's a sure fire way to draw tons of attention to yourself and probably get yourself killed. Is it possible that he is a jester?

[Beeva]

Lol, I'm not sure that you're accusing me of having a jester role or you just think I'm a clown! :)

Anyway, I wasn't aware we were having an argument about it.... Just my observations are from the previous few games that lynching someone day 1 hasn't provided any more info for day 2 (but did get me lynched last game!), therefore my vote is to abstain.

This is a democratic game though so, if you don't agree....

[Diagnosis Ninja]

I personally don't understand why we are still arguing about abstaining. I'll reiterate my thoughts about it again. What's the point in delaying the first lynch until the second day? By abstaining we gain little information about anyone on the first day. I'm a little weirded out by this move seeing as we've essentially had this argument every first day phase. It's a sure fire way to draw tons of attention to yourself and probably get yourself killed. Is it possible that he is a jester?
Do you really think that a joker would be making a coup on turn one with the intention of being joke voted off?

[Kilroy]

Jester's role means he has to get himself killed off. It was just speculation really.
But having the day 1 lynch is information to be used to further analyze the voting habits of other players. Also, this isn't a game where everyone has a role so there's probably a good chance voting someone off will not effect night actions.

[Xarboth]

Unvote: Pox

I like how Beeva said he knows the pro and con points of the abstain discussion so doesn't feel the need to have the whole conversation again, but he's choosing to vote to abstain, and then bara and kilroy commence with the whole discussion to persuade him otherwise. I disagree with abstaining but I'm not going to try and persuade Beeva to change his mind - like he says, he's heard the argument for both parts, and I imagine he'll be the only one to vote to abstain, meaning that unless no-one else votes at all, it's highly unlikely for abstain to be the majority vote.

[Loner]

Unvote: Sneggy.

It was just a joke vote. :P

[Diagnosis Ninja]

unvote: my one true love

Can't vote yourself off, after all :P

But why the sudden seriousness guys? Is abstaining the elephant in the room or something?

[Beeva]

Maybe I just have a bee in my bonnet about last game but I wanted to lay my cards out and avoid joking around :P

Just me!

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Unvote: Enigmacookie

Diagnosis Ninja! The serious hat - put it on, if you please!

[Pox]

oh noes! not another no-one can place a vote mafia game! because no-votes gives us O SO MUCH more info then abstaining... *insert sarcasm*

[Stalker21]

Pox wants my vote then? :P

[Baragash]

Vote: Stalker

IMO someone who wasn't Mafia would have actually voted for Pox :P

[Pox]

Vote: Stalker

IMO someone who wasn't Mafia would have actually voted for Pox :P

NOW that is logic i can get behind! vote: Stalker

and yes voting for me is preferable then not voting at all and someone being lynched for having a single vote thus in majority, at least everyone learns something!

[Kilroy]

Vote: Pox

Better? I still fail to see why anyone feels abstaining is a realistic option. But honestly It's early morning, I've got nausea, and if abstaining means Pox will stop with the obnoxious sarcasm, I'm down for it.

[MalkThe2nd]

Unvote: Bara

*puts on srs face*

With a short day we need to make a decision quick before the mafia can try to manipulate what little votes are getting out there. At the risk of seeming like a no-good type of person I'm going to Vote: Stalker21. I mainly put it there because I do feel we need to have a clear "winner" to make the results more clear. The other reason is because Stalker tends to be very closed-mouth. I'd hate to let mafioso slip by my notice simply because they don't say much.

[MalkThe2nd]

Just because I'm used to it now, here's the count afaik. Kick up your feet and relax SS. :P

Drakon: EC
Xarboth: Pox
EC: Aussie01
Ninja: Kilroy
Abstain: Beeva
Stalker21: Bara,`Pox, Me
Pox: Kilroy

With about 40ish hours til deadline.

[Loner]

Kilroy has two votes? :/

(He is named as Ninja vote and as a Pox vote...)

[MalkThe2nd]

Yeah, I listed Pox twice on accident as well but can't edit so....

Either I missed their unvotes or they didn't post them. The votes are in order so the lower ones would take precedence.

[Loner]

Well, considering what Pox said, that no-voters don't help the game along, isn't it also quite suspicious to just cast a vote on someone?

[DrakonTheNightLord]

I unvoted... so Malk stick to the gaming and not vote counting =_=

[Stalker21]

Vote: Pox

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Revenge!

[Pox]

Well, considering what Pox said, that no-voters don't help the game along, isn't it also quite suspicious to just cast a vote on someone?

loner defending Stalker? mmmm.

Casting a vote is THE GAME, it is the only thing regular townies can do, it is their small piece of power.
Casting a vote is saying in your opinion this person seems dodgy it could be right, it could be wrong but your gonna man up and take the responsibility either way.

Not voting is taking absolutely no responsibility, it is sitting on the side lines trying to not look suspicious, it's closing your eyes and hoping the bad men won't kill you or trying to avoid upsetting anyone who might then question your motives.

voting in and of itself is not suspicious, voting PATTERNS can and often IS suspicious. X voted for A who was innocent, X voted for B who was innocent, X voted for C who was innocent - hmm either X is being carried along or is prob mafia.

We need to move beyond the point where everyone is afraid to place a vote as if it is some massive stigma which will get them bandwagoned and lynched. Hats off to Malc for placing a third vote this day phase - he is being brave and putting his money where his mouth is.

now not saying everyone needs to vote for Stalker to make this day count, heck everyone can join Kilroy and vote me, all i am asking is that everyone takes responsibility for their actions. A clear vote puts your views in black and white for all to see and if people do wish to not vote then take responsibility for that also but don't use it as a screen to avoid attention.

[Pox]

Vote: Pox

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Revenge!

hmm revenge me not revenge Bara...interesting (is it because Bara does not already have a vote Mr Stalker? making me an easier target) Will be watching this with great interest from now on, for if ye is mafia then fully expect another one to jump on and make it even or push the vote. At least we now are getting somewhere.

[Xarboth]

I'm going to...

Vote: Kilroy

...because he jumped straight on Pox for being deliberately provocative to stir up votes. It just seemed like at that point Pox had just made himself an easy option to vote for. I know it's not much, but if we're going to go vote-happy on Day 1 and stand up for our right to vote, etc, etc, then I'm going to exercise my rights!

Either that or Pox is up to his usual tricks...

[Loner]

loner defending Stalker? mmmm.
I'm not saying that I defend Stalker, I just think it would be quite suspicious if I ran out and just posted Vote: Stalker without any kind of explanation.

(Note: I do not vote for him!)

I'm hesitant about voting for Stalker yet. The reason is that he makes no attempt, not even the slightest, to defend himself, nor does he try to avoid the votes.
While he may be at three already and it's not particularly threatening, I certainly wouldn't like it if I was in his position.

This kinda leads me to believe that this might be a part of some plan. (Think of my suicide role in Pox-Mafia, where I would blow up and take the last person to vote for me down as well.)

[Aussie01]

Im starting to Hate day 1s. With no real information it seems like the players as a whole just jump on someone who says the wrong thing. Which 9 times out of 10 turns out to be a pro town player. Just seems all very pointless to me. As any information that is gathered on day 1 apart from band wagoning would do very little for the town anyway .....

Just my two cents.

Also.

Unvote: EC. Twas a joke.

[Baragash]

Day 1s always suck, it's just something you have to get used to suffering through whilst people ferret out details.

[Stalker21]

Eh, if I'm lynched on Day One, it doesn't particularly bother me. I am an innocent, but, as mentioned, its almost always an innocent who is killed first. If it's my time, I just pray that the debate over my death is of help in pinpointing the Mafia through out the game.

[MalkThe2nd]

I'm not saying that I defend Stalker, I just think it would be quite suspicious if I ran out and just posted Vote: Stalker without any kind of explanation.

(Note: I do not vote for him!)

If that's how you feel then I suggest you unvote. It depends on how SS57 decides to rule it but all official votes/unvotes are and should be in bold. The mod isn't necessarily going to read every word we say. Sometimes they're just going to skim for votes before posting an update. By bolding those words you became vote #4.

[MalkThe2nd]

And kudos to you Stalker. Everyone has the face the music early in some game or another. We can't all live to endgame every time right? Again, nothing personal as I'm partially voting you because even a potential tie situation is the mafia's playground... especially in the early game. I'm very interested in seeing what votes/unvotes slip in before deadline. Even if none do, I think we've got a good bit of action to cross-examine with any night choices. If what you say is true then you have no power and at least we didn't hang one of the good roles. We've had lots of games that were all-powers and that claim *would* sway me a bit, but someone has beaten you to the punch and claimed it already. After that first claim, it became very easy for an anti-town player to say the same. From this game on I'm just going to assume there are non-powers floating around unless I find out otherwise.


With no real information it seems like the players as a whole just jump on someone who says the wrong thing. Which 9 times out of 10 turns out to be a pro town player.

An unfortunate, but necessary step. Statistically the odds are stacked very high against a successful Day 1 lynch against any single anti-town group. The mafia's information advantage is at its height while the town is very uncoordinated. If in the odd chance a mafia member is targeted by multiple townies they can use their coordination to either set-up or break a tie. But time is the ultimate tell. All of thier actions early on will be available for our view over and over. Any lie they tell or fake suspicion they had can and often does come to bite them in the ass in later Days.

[Kilroy]

Unvote: Pox
Vote: Malk

Ugh.. I just really don't like what he's doing here. It is truly difficult to spark a debate on day 1, and ever harder to postulate a player's innocence. However, what you're doing is voting for someone cause you need to vote for someone. You seem to be giving up on the fact that discussion (And well thought out night actions) are the catalysts discovering the truth. Not random lynches. If you've decided to vote simply based on the fact that day 1 is almost completely useless, then you might as well abstain. I'll likely rescind on this vote, but I'd like to try and change the atmosphere of total and utter ineffectiveness during day 1.

[ShadowSplicer57]

First Vote Count of IHopeI'mDoingThisRightness:
MalkThe2nd (1): Kilroy
Stalker21 (3): MalkThe2nd, Pox, Baragash.
Kilroy (1): Xarboth
Pox (1): Stalker21
Does that sound about right to you chaps?

Should be about 25 hours left until the deadline if I'm correct.

[Pox]

I'm not saying that I defend Stalker, I just think it would be quite suspicious if I ran out and just posted Vote: Stalker without any kind of explanation.

(Note: I do not vote for him!)

I'm hesitant about voting for Stalker yet. The reason is that he makes no attempt, not even the slightest, to defend himself, nor does he try to avoid the votes.
While he may be at three already and it's not particularly threatening, I certainly wouldn't like it if I was in his position.

This kinda leads me to believe that this might be a part of some plan. (Think of my suicide role in Pox-Mafia, where I would blow up and take the last person to vote for me down as well.)

eh? your are not defending Stalker BUT do not wish to vote for him as you are afraid he might be a suicide bomber (which are nearly always 100% mafia roles) or find the act of him not defending himself a good defence? FOS ON LONER this is just the kind of indirect "bailing out" that i used when a mafia member in the last game to help sneggy out of a tight spot. Their should be absolutely no real reason for you to wish to defend stalker to this length if you are a townie, as day 1 their is no info....

not voting because he might have a suicide role is perhaps the WORST defence i have ever heard, because under that reasoning you shouldn't vote for anyone and mafia wins as they can kill people in the night.

feeling even more right about this choice now.

[sneggy]

Vote:Stalker21

No information to go on this early on so just getting on with it at this stage.

As always watching Pox...hes a tricksy bugger

[Pox]

Unvote: Pox
Vote: Malk

Ugh.. I just really don't like what he's doing here. It is truly difficult to spark a debate on day 1, and ever harder to postulate a player's innocence. However, what you're doing is voting for someone cause you need to vote for someone. You seem to be giving up on the fact that discussion (And well thought out night actions) are the catalysts discovering the truth. Not random lynches. If you've decided to vote simply based on the fact that day 1 is almost completely useless, then you might as well abstain. I'll likely rescind on this vote, but I'd like to try and change the atmosphere of total and utter ineffectiveness during day 1.


find this post misleading with some rather strong emotional language.

you agree it is hard (some might say imposssible, unless mafia) to ascertain someones innocence on day 1, and with little to no info also hard to get a debate with nothing to discuss YET then slate Malk for putting someone forward for a lynch with the above criteria even though he clearly stated it is not a "random lynch" nor and he is working to stimulate discussion and direction both of which none voting or abstaining does not achieve.

the key to your post seems to be:
I'd like to try and change the atmosphere of total and utter ineffectiveness during day 1
Whilst quite the contrary is happening, people are learning to use their damned vote and place clues and notions about their alliances from day 1 down on paper so to speak, sure stimulating a real discussion on day 1 is very, very hard but the more we do on day 1 the easier day 2 is for sure. Not sure if you are trying to "change the atmoshpere" or change the minds of people to direct votes towards Malc which would be another indirect defence of Stalker...hmmm two people jumping to his defence (indirectly of course) he has a lot of friends defending him despite his "i'm innocent if i die what the hell routine."

If Stalker turns out to be mafia, and i'm getting more and more certain now, then i recommend a STRONG FOS on both loner and then Kilroy.

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Vote: Loner

I'll trust Pox this time around.

[Beeva]

I'll trust Pox this time around.

Heeheehee hohoho hahahaha ooooh my sides!

But seriously. Ive also noticed Kilroy's unusual behavior. Telling Malk he may as well abstain after coming down on me for abstaining in the first place? What? The same guy that advocated that lynching someone is preferable to not lynching someone is now balking at the choice of Target?

Loner to me is just being Loner. We've seen him act like this before. If Stalker turns out to be mafia though that's a different story.

This is getting far more interesting than I was expecting on day 1.

I don't think there is a particularly strong case against Stalker but I can't wait to see if his blood runs red or green. If he's red then Kilroy has some hard questions to answer. On the otherhand, if Stalker comes out green then it would probably mean Kilroy is town? Why would a mafia try to prevent a Lynch on day 1 when they could have just said nothing?

Unvote:Abstain

Vote: Stalker

Voting either Stalker or Kilroy is just as important as the other at this stage I feel. It also seems prudent to not abstain now that we actually appear to be getting somewhere and I'm not just voting for some random here. Looks like we may take some valuable info away from today.

[Diagnosis Ninja]

Well, while I agree with Pox's sentiment that "voting is the only thing an innocent can do", I don't agree with voting for the sake of voting. I always think that people should be unafraid to post content, keep a list of suspicions, think logically and laterally, and vote. Posting more content is the way to play the game, because suspicious activity is revealed through content being thin or sketchy.

As it is though, it seriously looks like Stalker is going down the drain. the weird bit is Malk trying to console him about it though. Never seen that before :P

And Beeva, nice to see you're slowly dropping the Abstain Train. And seen as I just missed my ride too, I might as well vote: Kilroy. Beeva has already pointed out the odd play, and while I doubt it'll do anything, it just acts as a mark next to his name as a reminder for me.

[Beeva]

And Beeva, nice to see you're slowly dropping the Abstain Train.

I am not, and never have been, on a one man crusade to put an end to day 1 lynching. What I do have issue with is what is effectively rolling a dice and voting for whatever turns up.

Feels like there's some actual content coming out today and whichever way it goes, we'll have something to talk about day 2. So effectively, keeping an abstain vote right now wouldn't help us.

I could have flipped a coin over Kilroy or Stalker. The object is to find out if there is a relationship there. I think voting for Stalker though will tell us more about Kilroy than voting Kilroy will tell us about Stalker.

[Loner]

eh? your are not defending Stalker BUT do not wish to vote for him as you are afraid he might be a suicide bomber (which are nearly always 100% mafia roles) or find the act of him not defending himself a good defence? FOS ON LONER this is just the kind of indirect "bailing out" that i used when a mafia member in the last game to help sneggy out of a tight spot. Their should be absolutely no real reason for you to wish to defend stalker to this length if you are a townie, as day 1 their is no info....

Fine then, vote: Stalker.

If that guy does blow up or I do go skyhigh, then remember that it isn't my fault.
(On a sarcastic side note: At least then it does become visible that I am an innocent. >.>)



not voting because he might have a suicide role is perhaps the WORST defence i have ever heard, because under that reasoning you shouldn't vote for anyone and mafia wins as they can kill people in the night.

feeling even more right about this choice now.

If you are a suicide bomber, you want to be voted off right? The entire idea of your role is to be blown to tiddlywinks. Nothing more and nothing less.
To me it seemed almost as if Stalker wanted to die. He made no attempt to defend himself nor did he try to persuade us otherwise. Instead he just posted: vote pox.
Later he posted a little bit more
He didn't even try to convince us that he was a part of the town! He just said: "Well this should help the debate along..."

This has made me believe that there something isn't right about it.

[Pox]

The object is to find out if there is a relationship there. I think voting for Stalker though will tell us more about Kilroy than voting Kilroy will tell us about Stalker.

This, thus why I wondered why Drakon went and voted loner. hmm interesting day it seems.

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Well, I felt Loner was suspicious (no such thing as always being like this in every game), so I voted. Not going to vote on someone I believe to be simply bandwagoned for great justice.

[Pox]

Well, I felt Loner was suspicious (no such thing as always being like this in every game), so I voted. Not going to vote on someone I believe to be simply bandwagoned for great justice.

fair enough, not saying ye are wrong just was a little surprised.

[Stalker21]

If you are a suicide bomber, you want to be voted off right? The entire idea of your role is to be blown to tiddlywinks. Nothing more and nothing less.
To me it seemed almost as if Stalker wanted to die. He made no attempt to defend himself nor did he try to persuade us otherwise. Instead he just posted: vote pox.
Later he posted a little bit more
He didn't even try to convince us that he was a part of the town! He just said: "Well this should help the debate along..."

This has made me believe that there something isn't right about it.

Honestly, defending oneself in Mafia is mostly about being able to throw more suspicion on someone else. This is a very difficult thing to do on Day One, seeing as there has been no patterns to highlight. The best thing to do, unless you are Mafia, is to take it and hope it helps the town at large. Even if you're dead, a townie still wins if the town wins. :)

[Diagnosis Ninja]

I'd be stamping my feet and gnashing my teeth, but hey, everybody's different :P

[Kilroy]

I'm just gonna say this day phase is the weirdest I've ever seen. I never thought I'd see people attacking me or loner for defending Stalker, even when Stalker has more or less decided that being lynched is for the best.

[Kilroy]

Anyways what I was trying to say earlier, is that if we are going to have a day one lynch, it should be organic and based off of people's suspicions (Voting for loner or dare I say it me) as opposed to voting for someone because you need to vote for someone (Voting for Stalker). Also, I'd keep an eye on the people who are creeping onto the Stalker bandwagon. Sneggy, for example, hasn't really offered a whole lot to the discussion up to this point.

[sneggy]

Unvote Stalker
Vote Kilroy


Upon a re-read his flip flop on the abstain issue when applied to two different targets looks more suspicious than stalker right now.

[ShadowSplicer57]

As the final hours of daylight begin to sink below the horizon, there is heard the awful sound of a mad rush of suspicions and pointing fingers. After many arguments and accusations, they eventually corner Stalker from both ends of a bridge over the canal. He tries to defend himself, but there's little he can do to stop the horrors that an angry mob can inflict upon someone. When the chaos finally subsided, his broken and battered body was lifeless. When at last they were able to inspect his belongings, it appeared that he was simply a normal Innocent Townie. The citizens of Venice hung their heads at what they had done before reluctantly letting the night come to Venice.

It is now Night 1. You have 48 hours to notify me of any night actions.

[ShadowSplicer57]

Venice awakens to the sound of songbirds, strangely talkative given the hour but their melodic tunes were comforting nonetheless. But alongside such eager chirps there soon came a scream of shock from alongside the canal. People rushed from their houses, eager to gain view at what had provoked such noises of terror: A single dead body floating ominously down the river, a wispy trail of leaking blood behind it. Upon dragging the body out of the water they identified the victim as Aussie01. His throat had been slit and he had been left a single red rose tied to his hand, a symbol of the Cardemone family. It would appear that he was a normal Innocent Townie. The body was soon carried away, but left behind a red trail that could not be ignored, how long before the resistance found itself among the dead? How long before victory belonged to the damned? The questions lingered, while the water seemed eerily still, as if content with it's blooded hue.

It is now Day Two. Six votes are required for the lynch. A week remains until the deadline.

[sneggy]

Right so what have we learned?

The mafia almost certainly killed last night unless we have a vigilante killer with a deliberately misleading kill sign. The vigilante deliberately being misleading seems unfair and unlikely.
Since only 1 kill either we have no vigilante/killer roles outside of the mafia or someone is copycatting the mafia ploy from the last game of dodging suspicion by refusing to use their kill power on night 1.

In a game of this size we have at least 2 non mafia roles by my reckoning. So both investigative? one normal and one paranoid cop seems most likely. Alongside 3 mafia members (most likely for this game size) that means we have 5 specials minimum.
Town still retains majority though and we will need to use that if we are to win, especially since we apparently dont have a killer working with us to eradicate some mafia at night.

I have my suspicions but will be retaining my vote until I see some discussion on the information we have garnered thus far.

[Aussie01]

...... :( Curse you Hooligans!

[Beeva]

Hmm. I was pretty sure we were on to something with Stalker. Not sure what this means for Kilroy. Will have to read back over Day One again with hindsight.

As for last nights kill it makes sense to treat it purely on face value for now. I.e. Mafia kill, no vigilante/sk. Speculations otherwise just muddy the waters I think.

[MalkThe2nd]

Yay, power roles intact.

I was kind of suprised that Kilroy was getting so much attention. I was fully expecting some flak for my voting tactics (I typically do) and his vote for me seemed... idk.... honest?

What I think most of you are missing is that Kil was the first bland innocent claim at the start of D1. Although this could easily be a screen (he did the same move last game) but imo he's low priority until either he does something scummy or evidence implicating him surfaces.

FoS : Those that attacked him D1

[sneggy]

I agree we should take it as it is. I was just laying out the other possible options for discussion.

[Enigmacookie]

Argh, tbh, I'm most suspicious of those who talked a lot during the first day. Kilroy at the moment stands out the most, but I'm fairly sure this is simply because of his high level of activity - which is good!
Malk, similarily, stood out from the crowd. I've got nothing.

[Kilroy]

If I had to assume the strategy the mafia are using, they are trying to generate confusion and trying to mask themselves as best as possible by killing off someone who was not at the forefront of people's attentions. My biggest suspicion atm is on Sneggy. Right now he's making a few cute "I'm helping!" posts to draw attention away from him. That coupled with his bandwagon vote make him eerily suspicious at the moment.

Once I get more time I want to go through the thread and figure out who is and isn't a lurker.

[sneggy]

Right now he's making a few cute "I'm helping!" posts to draw attention away from him.

Those posts do nothing but draw attention to me......hardly a clever disguise.

[Kilroy]

How so? You want to draw attention to yourself, you accuse someone and/or you don't post at all. To avoid drawing attention, you make token posts here and there and you vote with the group. Kinda like what you've been doing.

[Loner]

I don't have a lot of time at the moment, so I'll post more (and better content) tomorrow.

[Xarboth]

Ok, I've just had to re-read the thread completely because I've found it difficult to get my head in this game for some reason. I've applied for 3 jobs and had 2 interviews so far in the last week, so maybe that's why. It's not that I'm not keeping up, and I've been reading everything and posting, but I'm normally thinking about it while I'm away from the computer, and I've not been doing that so far this game.

Anyway, enough of that whole "real-life" malarkey...I've noticed a couple of things. The first thing I've noticed is the dialogue in posts 52-55 on page 3 of the thread. It may just be me, but something in the way the conversation goes raises alarm bells about Pox and Kilroy. It strikes me a little bit as 'fake distancing' - i.e. Kilroy voting for Pox to create a little early distancing between the pair of them. I voted Kilroy in the first day because I thought it seemed like he was taking the opportunity to get an easy 'unsuspicious' vote in (if there is such a thing). I still stand by this, but on re-reading the thread, it jumped out at me again but with the link to Pox occurring to me on second reading. Also, and I feel like Pox has dominated discussion a little during the first day, and I really don't trust him when he does that (with good reason of late, I think!). It just seems to me like Pox was pretty influential in getting innocent Stalker voted off whilst Kilroy put in an easy early vote on Pox - strikes me as fishy, like a planned mafia move.

Another thing that hit me was Sneggy in post 76 on page 4. I think that post has the exact same feel to it as his early vote in the last game, which I voted him for. I really wish I'd stuck to that last game and pushed harder for it because it turned out Sneggy was indeed mafia, so it makes me suspicious once again.

So those are where my suspicions lie at the moment. Based on these hunches (and yes, they are still only hunches), I'm once going to go with the player who raises the alarm bells the most, and...

Vote: Kilroy

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Wow, I'm stuck :\

I've been waiting for someone to come out with something but so far nothing, and I don't have much on me either :|

Should I still go after Loner? Remains to be seen. And we should always be suspicious of Pox >_<

[sneggy]

So day one I am condemned by Kilroy for voting.
Day two I am condemned by Kilroy for laying out the facts and trying to discuss them before voting.
Can't help but feel that your a little thirsty for my blood there Mr Kilroy.
Now seeing as how I know I am innocent that calls into question why exactly I am being condemned to death by you so eagerly dontcha think.

Still retaining my vote for the time being but my finger is pointing squarely at kilroy in suspicions for the time being.

[Kilroy]

Let's look over Sneggy's day one posts:

Vote:Stalker21

No information to go on this early on so just getting on with it at this stage.

As always watching Pox...hes a tricksy bugger

Unvote Stalker
Vote Kilroy


Upon a re-read his flip flop on the abstain issue when applied to two different targets looks more suspicious than stalker right now.


It's not so much that I'm condemning you for voting, it's that I'm condemning you for bandwagoning votes all while avoiding to post anything truly relevant and helpful. I find it also interesting that you switched your vote to me, after I called you out for bandwagoning the Stalker vote. And, now, I know that you can vouch for you innocence,

As for Xarboth, I'm pretty sure you're voting for me to see how I react. Otherwise, it seems a little inane to vote for me because you think I'm distancing myself from Pox, and if you think Pox is suspicious why wouldn't you vote for him? Unless of course you think that between the two of us, I'm the weaker link, which comes off as a little predatorial, don't you think?

At any rate, I'll refrain from voting for now.

[Kilroy]

Actually, screw that. I'm gonna Vote: Sneggy. Even if he isn't mafia, if he's gonna go through the rest of the game voting for whoever is leading the polls without thinking, we might as well just put him down now.

[Diagnosis Ninja]

Damn you vile network connection! But yeah, I've tried posting like three times in the last day, and my network has been bollocks.

Kilroy, you're basically acting as aggressively as you're suggesting Sneggy is. Bad form.

As it is, I'll try and write up in a little bit, but I have a massive craving for, well, anything, given that I didn't eat yesterday.

[sneggy]

Even if he isn't mafia, if he's gonna go through the rest of the game voting for whoever is leading the polls without thinking, we might as well just put him down now.

I actually changed my vote from the person who was leading the polls last day phase. So your simply wrong on that front.
Your being predatory and inconsistent. Signs of someone with something to hide.

Vote:Kilroy

and for the record I do think your trying to push suspicion on pox as well in your last post. Despite pox being mafia in the past 2 games and thus holding a lot of suspicion atm we have no actual evidence against him thus I am inclined to agree with Xarboth on you being the most suspicious.

Now for the inevitable fight back where you claim I am now voting for the person who is leading the polls......

[Kilroy]

Well, looks like I'm gonna get lynched. At any rate I'd like to hear from a few more people who aren't Sneggy. Let's mix the discussion up a bit.

[Loner]

Alright then this one is especially for our dear friend Drakon:

Wow, I'm stuck :\

I've been waiting for someone to come out with something but so far nothing, and I don't have much on me either :|

Should I still go after Loner? Remains to be seen. And we should always be suspicious of Pox >_<
Why do you wish to go after me? I hadn't even posted this day, yet you already say that you wish to go after me. Why would you even remotely post that? Are you that eager for a kill? If you are, you should join the Kilroy bandwagon, he's got more votes than me at the moment.
In other words:
We hadn't even remotely advanced a bit, yet you throw this one into the group.
There's no reason to do this, other than throwing dirt in my direction.


Well, I felt Loner was suspicious (no such thing as always being like this in every game), so I voted. Not going to vote on someone I believe to be simply bandwagoned for great justice.

So I do what I do every game and then suddently I'm suspicious? What kind of logic is that? You think I'm suspicious because I didn't want to kill Stalker? For your information, Pox has been hammering on that kill as soon as I said that it didn't add up.
Again a flaw in your logic.


Vote: Loner

I'll trust Pox this time around.

This is what causes me even more doubt. You say you trust Pox and put a vote on me. From what I've gathered in the last few games its one thing: Sneaky Pox is sneaky. You should be very careful with trusting pox. But that is your choice. However you blindly follow Pox who hasn't even placed a vote on me.

The strange part is that as soon as pox goes against me, you simply say that you agree and then put the vote on me. However, in the first quote you said that you DIDN'T trust Pox.

And this is another thing that doesn't add up.

So I throw my hands up in the air and vote Drakonthenightlord.


While I currently hold no grudge against pox, there might be a little pattern here. Then again, this could be a mere coincidence.

[Pox]

ok have found myself in Grimsby for a couple of weeks so just found hotel internet....bet you guys missed me eh? have read everything and am honestly surprised to still be alive! (and possibly slightly insulted) so will have to cause more nuisance this day phase, and see what comes out in the wash. The person I REALLY want to hear from is Bara who is mighty quiet after his opening vote on Stalker.

[MalkThe2nd]

Still not seeing the reasoning for voting Kilroy.

To me he seems a tad vocal but not overly scummy. If you ask me, this looks like an effort to remove an experienced player without wasting a kill on someone without a power. If Kil was mafia, his claim on D1 took some serious balls as there would have been no way to know it "fits" that early.

[Beeva]

Ok, lets look at this objectively. The facts if you will.

The following people voted for Stalker on day one and I list them in order of votes placed:
Bara, Pox, Malk, Sneggy*, Me, DNinja, Loner.
*Vote was later removed

I'm kind of with Malk that at one of those people at least would be Mafia. Makes sense right? Blend in. However, I don't think that a all of the mafia would vote the same way. That would pose a massive risk surely? To all be associated together behind one target on day 1?

So those that did not vote for Stalker (Aussie was the only one not to vote but I think we can rule him out):
EC, Stalker (dead), Sneggy, Xarboth, Drakon & Kilroy.

Following my logic (which I'm pretty sure is sound), one (at least) of those is mafia.

So I'm mentally splitting you all in two groups at the moment. It's not conclusive but at least it's thinking with science!

Out of those that did not vote for Stalker on day one (whom I shall affectionately refer to as Group B for now) those who are being most suspicious by their posts are Kilroy and Sneggy. As they are fighting between themselves it seems unlikely that both are mafia, if indeed either of them are.

Xarboth at the moment seems pretty legit. EC and Drakon haven't said much.

So, my FOS at the moment is on all those in Group B.

Why Group B and not Group A? Group B is smaller.

[Beeva]

Why Group B and not Group A? Group B is smaller.


You know what, if I take myself out of the equation it's not smaller at all.

So, to be fair, I'll look at group A too.

Xarboth made a good point of highlighting posts 53-55. Highly reccomnd reading those again if you have not already. Go on, I'll wait..... It may be something out of nothing. Maybe Bara was more or less joking but decided to stick with it in order to go with a lynch anyway? Seemed pretty serious about Lynching someone/anyone after calling me out for abstaining. Pox was straight on board at a whim. How serious was this vote?

Sneggy effectively hopped off Stalker when things started to hot up, could easily be said that he removed his vote when he felt Stalker was doomed in order to look more innocent. EC used the same tactic last game on Day 2 when I was lynched. Once it became clear that I was for the gallows pole, hopping his vote away from me distanced himself from those that had plotted my downfall.

Malk, I got nothing on really. If he's mafia he's striking the right balance between no posting too much and not posting too little. He did however put his FOS on all that voted for Stalker in day 1 in his first post of day 2, when he himself voted Stalker too.

DNinja, not made up my mind yet. Hasn't really done anything to stand out.

Loner has been drawing attention from the other players, notably Pox and Drakon. I've come to expect a certain style of play from Loner and he's consistent. He did allow himself to be bandwagoned on to the stalker vote though.

Writing all that down has helped me focus my mind a bit here now. I feel that Sneggy is the most likely so far to be Mafia so I will put my money where my mouth is but I reserve the right to change it.

Vote; Sneggy

[Pox]

some valuable input their Beeva, looks like your getting a real knack for this game after all! my gut feeling was Sneggy but then i felt good about Stalker and that was a dead end. I don't think it is either loner or Kilroy since they both stepped forward to defend Stalker and that would be unusual for a mafia member to do unless it was a fellow villian so in my eyes they seem the most innocent i will be looking hard at whom has voted for these two this day phase and who fits in group A and B. (oh and who is not voting! - much looking shall be had.)

[Beeva]

Just goes to show tat voting really does give you info and helps the town.

[sneggy]

So as far as I can tell I am now suspicious for not killing an innocent on day one?
And for being active?

All the lurkers are getting off scot free? um that seems somehow wrong.

[Beeva]

No Mr Sneggy, I'm voting you because you are in my Group B, and you appear to be the most suspicious of that lot. So far....

As time goes on and the longer the lurkers lurk, the more suspicious they become. They may even overtake you on my Suspicion O'Meter (TM) and make me wish to change my vote.

Don't be so worried though, you're only on 2 votes. I'm hoping for lots more action over the coming hours.

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Alright then this one is especially for our dear friend Drakon:
Originally Posted by DrakonTheNightLord
Wow, I'm stuck :\

I've been waiting for someone to come out with something but so far nothing, and I don't have much on me either

Should I still go after Loner? Remains to be seen. And we should always be suspicious of Pox >_<
Why do you wish to go after me? I hadn't even posted this day, yet you already say that you wish to go after me. Why would you even remotely post that? Are you that eager for a kill? If you are, you should join the Kilroy bandwagon, he's got more votes than me at the moment.
In other words:
We hadn't even remotely advanced a bit, yet you throw this one into the group.
There's no reason to do this, other than throwing dirt in my direction.

Originally Posted by DrakonTheNightLord
Well, I felt Loner was suspicious (no such thing as always being like this in every game), so I voted. Not going to vote on someone I believe to be simply bandwagoned for great justice.
So I do what I do every game and then suddently I'm suspicious? What kind of logic is that? You think I'm suspicious because I didn't want to kill Stalker? For your information, Pox has been hammering on that kill as soon as I said that it didn't add up.
Again a flaw in your logic.

Originally Posted by DrakonTheNightLord
Vote: Loner

I'll trust Pox this time around.
This is what causes me even more doubt. You say you trust Pox and put a vote on me. From what I've gathered in the last few games its one thing: Sneaky Pox is sneaky. You should be very careful with trusting pox. But that is your choice. However you blindly follow Pox who hasn't even placed a vote on me.

The strange part is that as soon as pox goes against me, you simply say that you agree and then put the vote on me. However, in the first quote you said that you DIDN'T trust Pox.

And this is another thing that doesn't add up.

So I throw my hands up in the air and vote Drakonthenightlord.


While I currently hold no grudge against pox, there might be a little pattern here. Then again, this could be a mere coincidence.


All quotes bounced out of chronology / order of post to make me look indecisive and suspicious.

1) Day 1, I suspect Loner.
2) Day 2, I was wondering aloud whether I should still pursue Loner given the new direction of the day.

[Beeva]

And what do you conclude Drakon?

[Loner]

I have done the things with starting upon the last post as the first one.
So if you want to read them in the 'proper' order, then it in this order:
(The other one was upside down.)

Vote: Loner

I'll trust Pox this time around.

Here you declare your turst in Pox. You don't ask any questions, you just follow him. No other explanation or comment.


Well, I felt Loner was suspicious (no such thing as always being like this in every game), so I voted. Not going to vote on someone I believe to be simply bandwagoned for great justice.

Note: Pox asked why you followed him and you supply this reason.
You say you don't want to bandwagon? Well, you did it at me.


Wow, I'm stuck :\

I've been waiting for someone to come out with something but so far nothing, and I don't have much on me either :|

Should I still go after Loner? Remains to be seen. And we should always be suspicious of Pox >_<

What remote reason was there to still go after me?
Here you didn't have a reason to vote against me yet. (Now you have under the idea of revenge voting.)
But! There's more: Between the time that you followed Pox and the time that you posted this message, there has only been one post from Pox and that was him saying that your free to vote where you want.

Other than that, you supplied no other reason for being innocent, nor contribute anything to your defence.

So, I'll stick to my vote.

But I do have a final question: Why haven't you revenge voted yet?

[Beeva]

Wow, really surprised by the lack of activity here. Time to kick ass.

So by my reckoning Bara hasn't posted since post 69 on 15th march, 8 DAYS AGO!! Is he still playing? Do we need a replacement? If he's lurking then he's taken it to the extreme.

EC hasn't posted since post 98, right at the beginning of the day phase and that wasn't exactly high on content.

Drakon is rocketing up my suspicions list as well. He's vaguely pointed a finger at Loner, asked himself if he should vote for him but he's not actually done anything about it. None of his posts actually say anything at all really. Starting to reek of someone trying to stay under the radar.

Right now, we have a stalemate between Kilroy and Sneggy on 2 votes each which is pretty pathetic. Lazy town syndrome again!

ShadowSplicer57 - Time check please!

[Baragash]

No I'm here, I've just been off work ill for 2 days, picked up my mother in law from the airport and I've got my 30th bday/engagement party on Saturday that I'm knee deep in sorting out. I will try and make time to review tomorrow morning when I might get to be near a PC without threats on my life.....

[DrakonTheNightLord]

You say you don't want to bandwagon? Well, you did it at me.

Uh, you had like, one post, which was from me. That's not a bandwagon..

First day, I declare my trust for Pox's logic. But! I did not go for Kilroy like he did, that would be a bandwagon. I didn't want to trust Pox that much, so I went for you.

What remote reason is left to vote for you? Exactly why I'm not voting for you, and why you're not getting a revenge vote! There is no reason at all!

[Beeva]

So a very real dilemma for me is that a few players have gone very quiet since voting patterns started being mentioned. There's a few people I'm starting to feel rather uncomfortable about but at the minute, there's simply too many to single any one out.

Kilroy at the minute is not near the top of my suspicion list so for now Id rather keep him alive, which means I have to keep my vote on Sneggy to retain that stalemate.

Still need that time check....

[Diagnosis Ninja]

Sorry I'm fairly intermittent this time guys, I only have wireless network access to this website at home, and I'm fairly sure that my router is bust, or breaking. I'm actually sat at a friends house so I can type up a message lol, so I don't have long.

First thing, I've never been fond of people yabbering on about vote counts. By my count, the votes from Day 1 mean practically nothing, seen as there's an entire absence of information. It's not the votes, it's the content, and the sheer fact that Beeva reads (at least to me) like Pox was in the last game raises concern.

Anyway, things in my eyes:

Beeva and Pox seem to be building a bit of a rapport about votes. Ergh. Wary about both of them, because of the entire "Votes mean everything!" thing they both seem to have.

Baragash hasn't posted much, but I can kinda relate seen as real life has stopped me from joining in. Can't see much else here.

Drakon and Loners continued exchange is something of concern. I can't read it either way, but the fact my left eyebrow's angle increased about 60 degrees means something. Keeping an eye there.

Sneggy: Seems to have just been caught in the centre of everything.

Xarboth: Seems to be contributing, can't see either way with him, which is suspicious enough lol.

Malk: It might just be my inability to see his avatar, but has he posted? Really think it's just me lol.

Other people: either haven't contributed enough to tingle my spidey sense, or I just plain didn't realise it was actually them :S

But yeah, I'll see if I can keep posting, and deal with my router. Sorry 'bout tha'.

[Beeva]

First thing, I've never been fond of people yabbering on about vote counts. By my count, the votes from Day 1 mean practically nothing, seen as there's an entire absence of information. It's not the votes, it's the content, and the sheer fact that Beeva reads (at least to me) like Pox was in the last game raises concern.

For the record, I do think that votes outweigh what people say. People lie in this game. It's harder to lie with a vote (not impossible, votes can be misleading). I'd much rather pay attention to what people do than what they say. That does mean you have to look at who they've supported or called into question and how they've voted to build a complete picture. That's my aim this game. (It was also my aim last game but didn't live through it long enoug to do anything with it.)

Tell me something though. Do you actually disagree with me? And if so, why and on what points? Let's actually have a debate!! I really don't see how trying to put down anyone who comes out with an opinion is somehow a better tactic. People just clam up instead and become content to lie low in the hope that someone else will stick their neck out. So yes, I'm sticking my head above the parapit and I do expect to get shot at but so what?

I'm a pure vanilla townie. I have no other weopons than my wits and my power of deduction! (Which probably means I'm screwed).


Beeva and Pox seem to be building a bit of a rapport about votes. Ergh. Wary about both of them, because of the entire "Votes mean everything!" thing they both seem to have.


It's not the votes, it's the content, and the sheer fact that Beeva reads (at least to me) like Pox was in the last game raises concern.

Can you elaborate? Not quite sure where you're coming from. At the moment this just feels like a cheap shot.

[Loner]

If I may ask it: What is the current votecounts etc. and when have the people voted for the last time?

OOC: I can do it too, but lack the time right now.

[Loner]

So we got these players:
Beeva, posted 9 times so far, last post was yesterday.
Enigma, posted 1 time so far, last post was 20th of march.
Malk, posted twice, last post was the 21st of march.
Sneggy, posted 6 times so far, last post was the 22nd of march.
Baragash, posted once, last post was yesterday.
Xarboth, posted once, last post was on the 20th of march.
Loner, posted three times so far, last post was yesterday. (Excluding this time.)
Drakon, posted three times so far, last post was yesterday.
Diagnosis, posted two times so far, last post was yesterday.
Pox, posted two times so far, last post was on the 22nd of march.
Kilroy, posted 5 times so far, last post was on the 21st of march.

Some observations:
Kilroy and Sneggy were very active the first couple of days, but went silent now.
Kilroy said he would be lynched today?.. :/
I would have expected more activety of him, though.
Beeva is so far in the lead with the most posts. Seemed particularly active when the day drew closer.
Enigma, Baragash and Xarboth have just posted once.
Baragash and Xarboth have supplied a reason why they aren’t active, Enigma didn’t.

We got 4 people in the modkill zone or on the brink of it. (I’d recommend you lot to post… :P)

As for the vote count:
Sneggy(1): Beeva.
Kilroy(2): Sneggy, Xarboth
Drakon(1): Loner

Deadline is on the 27th of March.

I hope this helps someone. :D
Now set out and discuss something.

[Enigmacookie]

I haven't posted much because, to be frank, I'm not super invested in this game. I tried to post a lot the last game (even though I was mafia!) but nothing much happened at all. At the moment I've been content just standing on the sidelines, as there's been quite a lot of discussion already, with votes and accusations flying pretty wildly around. Some of you are so trigger happy that I figured it'd be better just to stay silent. The mafia can hide really well in this town, because we're not organized enough in our thought process. Other than semi aggressive voting, all we've seen is masqueraded helpfulness in the form of counting posts and votes (note that this was the way I pretended to be super pro town in the last mafia, and it seemed to help. It's a great way to seem like you're adding content, without really doing so).

At the moment, my gut tells me that none of the people voted for already are mafia. The mafia, most likely, has come to the same realization that I have: this town is eager to jump at whoever is vocal, and will kill itself. Staying silent is best. So, I'd point my finger(s) of suspicion(s) at:
- Baragash
- Xarbth
- Malk

Should prolly add myself to that list, as I haven't been posting a lot either, but HOY HOY!

[Pox]

ok Day 6 of my 7 day week, far away from home....not really got time to read the thread fully but this might spark some discussion
Vote: Ninja

he is smart enought to recognise the importance of voting patterns so no need to play it down, ANY tool that can be used by a normal townie should not be discarded by any means.

[Xarboth]

Hadn't actually realised it's been 4 days since I last posted. I've been reading everything frequently, but haven't posted because I have no more to add. I don't think there's been anything particularly new revealed since I last posted, and certainly nothing to make me want to change my mind about my voting or further suspicions. I know that doesn't add much, but like I said I don't really have any more to add because nothing has really been revealed apart from Beeva's claim, which I'm inclined to believe, to be honest.

[Diagnosis Ninja]

ok Day 6 of my 7 day week, far away from home....not really got time to read the thread fully but this might spark some discussion
Vote: Ninja

he is smart enought to recognise the importance of voting patterns so no need to play it down, ANY tool that can be used by a normal townie should not be discarded by any means.

I'm sure you can realise the counter argument: As sure as votes are useful, they aren't the only thing. I've never argued that they are useless, but I'm guessing that you're kind of ignoring my entire argument through, ooh, about three games in the past. But yeah, you and Beeva seem to be in cahoots about the whole deal, regardless of what I've said on that subject.

Beeva, you can take this as aimed at you, too. Both of you seem more than resolute to call me out on it, when in reality you're simply pinning a misinterpretation to me.

Vote: Pox

Day two shenanigans arguing about vote related activities again? Christ, what happened to "Don't trust Pox"?

Enigmacookie: That list is a bit out of the blue, got any info to bring to the table? :P Still, it's a little regrettable that I feel the same as you: I spent so much time trying to convince people to join in with [27], that I think I might have out mafia'd myself for a short while. It's disappointing to see that it still happens, purely because people are afraid of being killed off.

Anyway, on a friends computer still. Don't think Sky are going to sort out the router because of it's age, so I'm still trying to think of a solution for the long term. Don't count me out.

[Beeva]

As for the vote count:
Sneggy(1): Beeva.
Kilroy(2): Sneggy, Xarboth
Drakon(1): Loner

Kilroy voted Sneggy (Post 107).

[Pox]

ah the classic Ninja - Pox called me up let's vote back on him routine - never gets old.

though of course with that logic if i die and am found townie then Beeva is gonna look a whole lot more innocent.

Logic only gets me so far, don't get me wrong this is purely on gut feeling, and ye are being pretty insistent on playing despite the connection problems, a normal townie might just not be that dedicated.

[Beeva]

I'm sure you can realise the counter argument: As sure as votes are useful, they aren't the only thing.

See my post (123), first paragraph. I answered this point.


I've never argued that they are useless, but I'm guessing that you're kind of ignoring my entire argument through, ooh, about three games in the past. But yeah, you and Beeva seem to be in cahoots about the whole deal, regardless of what I've said on that subject.

Look at the posts going on here, I'm not trying to hide anything. When have I agreed with Pox? If Pox has agreed with me then you must disagree with my points otherwise you wouldn't think it suspicious. What is it exactly you think I have wrong? I asked you this in my last post.



Beeva, you can take this as aimed at you, too. Both of you seem more than resolute to call me out on it, when in reality you're simply pinning a misinterpretation to me.

I haven't called you out. I haven't even called you suspicious. What am I misinterpreting? All I can see is you calling me suspicious because I tried to find some information from day 1s activities and because Pox has agreed with me.


Vote: Pox

Day two shenanigans arguing about vote related activities again? Christ, what happened to "Don't trust Pox"?

Seriously? You're suggesting that we shouldn't trust Pox again because of his previous games? If anything I imagine Pox is statistically less liekly to be mafia having been so in the last 2 (3?) games.



Enigmacookie: That list is a bit out of the blue, got any info to bring to the table?

What info are you bringing to he table?


:P Still, it's a little regrettable that I feel the same as you: I spent so much time trying to convince people to join in with [27], that I think I might have out mafia'd myself for a short while. It's disappointing to see that it still happens, purely because people are afraid of being killed off.

What do you think I've been trying to do here?!?

Seriously I doubt this post will lessen your "Pox and Beeva have a thang going on" routine but I'm weighing everyone up on their own merits and so far Pox hasn't actually done anything more suspicious than anyone else. And yes, I do try and take everything he says with a bit more salt than I normally would. I don't trust him but I have no reason to doubt him more than I do other people in this game.

[Beeva]

Wow, must have taken me 20 minutes to write that post, started it straight after my last one!

[Enigmacookie]

Enigmacookie: That list is a bit out of the blue, got any info to bring to the table? :P

I think I wrote so in my post, but that list is simply the people who have posted the least - simple as that! :)

[MalkThe2nd]

Bleh, sorry guys. Modem's being a pos and this kinda slipped my mind.

One thing that looks very odd to me is how Beeva seems to be putting lots of effort into appearing as town. His uncalled for claim as vanilla strikes me as strange. Normally he tends to blend more in the backround, so I wonder if there's a reason for this change in style.

FoS: Beeva

[Loner]

Sneggy(2): Beeva, Kilroy
Kilroy(2): Sneggy, Xarboth
Drakon(1): Loner
Diagnosis ninja (1): Pox

Yet to vote:
Enigmacookie
MalkThe2nd
Baragash
DrakonTheNightLord
Diagnosis Ninja

[Beeva]

Bleh, sorry guys. Modem's being a pos and this kinda slipped my mind.

One thing that looks very odd to me is how Beeva seems to be putting lots of effort into appearing as town. His uncalled for claim as vanilla strikes me as strange. Normally he tends to blend more in the backround, so I wonder if there's a reason for this change in style.

FoS: Beeva

I'm putting a lot of effort into trying to get the game moving a bit. Right now I'm actually pretty bored with it.

There's been a few posts by people basically saying they can't get on the internet for one reason or another and a couple more that basically just indicating that those people can't be bothered, so we're kind of stuck in a limbo.

I've got nothing else to say really. I've said my bit, I can't really add anymore to it without going on and on so we'll leave it to see what happens on the deadline unless anything else comes up.

[Diagnosis Ninja]

Welcome to Day 2 of Mafia Limbo.

I'm out. If anyone can get a replacement for me it would be swell.

Call me when mafia improves on the forum in general, or in 6 months or so, whichever is quicker. Because right now, mafia sucks on the forum, given that it's the same 15 people who are in every game for as far back as I can remember.

[Enigmacookie]

Vote: Sneggy
DUN DUN DUN. Let's get some action going. Day 2 is always boring. Let's power through, and make this game exciting. Like Ninja I kinda burned myself out on the last game, but the effort can still be made for this to become an enjoyable affair.

[Loner]

It's a true shame with such a lazy town.
For what it's worth:
I currently don't think we should vote off Beeva and here is why:
Beeva is the most active player! He's really trying to get the game along. (Whether that is for good or for bad aside, but at least he is helping the game progress...)

Inactive:
Xarboth: Work?
Kilroy: dissappeared?
Baragash: Off
Diagnosis Ninja: Dropped out.
MalkThe2nd: Said he would be super active on day one yet, kinda meh at the moment.
Sneggy: Dissappeared?

Kinda active:
Drakon.
Loner.
Pox.
Enigmacookie.

Active:
Beeva.

I hate to state it like this, but it feels as if half of the town is dragging the other half down...

[sneggy]

I have not dissappeared loner. Being active at the start of the day earned me two votes with pretty much the only reason being that I was active....why would I continue to be active?

Frankly it looks like I am going to be voted out because half the people cant be arsed to play which is bull....

Since I now have nothing to lose (deadline is coming up soon) I'll level with you all.
I am the cop, Pox is innocent I investigated him on night one. All of you try and be active on day three so we actually have a chance for the town to win this game. Congratulations on killing off an active and very useful member of the town team on day two for no reasoning whatsoever.

I'm inclined to agree with ninja about the way forum mafia is going atm.

[Enigmacookie]

Actually.

unvote
vote: Xarboth

Better offing the inactive players, screw the consequences. Retake forum mafia 2012!

[Enigmacookie]

Gonna throw in some random @'s as well:
DrakonTheNightLord
Diagnosis Ninja
Beeva
Kilroy

[DrakonTheNightLord]

FUCK THIS SHIT LETS KICK IT INTO HIGH GEAR!!!


I AM LE DOCTORA. I PROTECTED EC ON THE FIRST DAY. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT I CAN'T TARGET MYSELF WHICH IS FRANKLY POO.

[Enigmacookie]

Drakon, you red sonofa. Vote for Xarboth, or I will let everyone know that the medicine you gave me last night game me the worst case of runs in history.

[Beeva]

Ok, since we're all throwing caution to the wind its time to roll the dice.

I'm gong to take a risk and assume everyone has just told the truth. I'm also going to follow through on my 2 groups theory.

So:
Sneggy: cop
Drakon: doc
Kilroy: after Stalker turned up innocent I've been inclined to think he's a good guy
EC: I don't know, after his last few posts I'm prepared to take a leap of faith.
Xarboth: hes been active on the forums but not in this thread. What does that tell you?
Unvote: Sneggy
Vote: Xarboth

If I'm right, I'll look like a genius. If I'm wrong, I'll have to live or die with the consequences.

[Loner]

And I am not even mentioned Beeva? D:

[Loner]

Oh before I forget: Unvote Drakon!

Vote: Xarboth

[MalkThe2nd]

Is it massclaim time?

The reason for my general lack of interest is that I have already won this game. :p The modem bit is true though, I'm posting this on a PS3.

I agree that while Beeva might be a bit off to me but I don't necessarily want to kill an active, hence the FoS.

I got nothin to lose here so umm.... Vote: Xarboth. Your lack of epic posts has left a disturbance in the force.

[Enigmacookie]

The reason for my general lack of interest is that I have already won this game.
I don't even doubt this. I, too, have a very strange victory condition.

Beeva confirmed gotyay.

[Enigmacookie]

Btw, has the game mod himself lost interest? ShadowSplicer57, we sorta need input at least once per page. Votecount? Days left?

[Beeva]

I'm thoroughly confused.

Particularly by this:




Beeva confirmed gotyay.

Was I supposed to understand this?

[Kilroy]

I'm here.. My computer is just giving me all sorts of headaches and stuff. I can't say I truly agree with this trend of voting for Xarboth in order to get through day two. Essentially we're just doing what we did last phase. Picking a player to kill off without developing any arguments is essentially what got us stuck here in the first place. If EC is mafia, seems he's drumming up a fairly large following based on "we're bored!" let's move it along.

Sticking with voting for sneggy, but FOS: EC

On another note, DN is right we need more player variety.

[Diagnosis Ninja]

FUCK THIS SHIT LETS KICK IT INTO HIGH GEAR!!!


I AM LE DOCTORA. I PROTECTED EC ON THE FIRST DAY. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT I CAN'T TARGET MYSELF WHICH IS FRANKLY POO.
Can I undrop out? Because I believe that.

vote: Xarboth
Because I can bandwagon too :/

[Loner]

Drakon, may I ask what your role does?

As for Diagnosis Ninja, how is it bad to have the same players every time? :P

[Diagnosis Ninja]

1) Because it always ends up being the same players arguing about the same things.

It's like, if you only have one place to play hide and seek. I know pretty much all the hiding places from when I was a kid, and nothings changed in the 20 years I've lived here.

It's getting like that with mafia. "Vote: Kilroy" and "Don't trust Pox" are evidence of that. I'm really hoping there isn't a "Ninja is a bitch" meme which is going to catch on, because that would be a bitch too.

[Diagnosis Ninja]

Oh yeah and 2) I get loads of deja vu.

[Xarboth]

Woah there. I'm not inactive! I posted not far back stating that I've got no new information to add because no new information had come up. In fact, I stated that I was regularly reading it but just hadn't posted because it would just be an "I'm still here" no-content post. The one content that I threw in last was to say that I believe Beeva's claim, and that Beeva's claim was the only real piece of information that's come out.

I don't know why people chose me as the most inactive to vote off - I've been more active than the GM in the last 72 hours I think.

Unvote: Kilroy
Vote: Enigmacookie

Because he seems to have been the one to randomly pick me as the 'most inactive' member and pushed to get Drakon specifically to vote me. I certainly don't think I'm the person who's been longest between posts here, so why me EC?

[DrakonTheNightLord]

A Doctor protects someone over the night from getting killed.

I am also suspicious of EC...

[Xarboth]

I am also suspicious of EC...

Then why on earht would you vote for me just because he said "Drakon, vote for Xarboth"?

[DrakonTheNightLord]

I didn't...

[Xarboth]

Oh. Dammit, Beeva! Your red writing in your sig makes me think you're Drakon! I've had to double-check that more than once during this game!

[Xarboth]

Also: Sorry Drakon!

[DrakonTheNightLord]

I feel something has went over our heads here. Malk, you said you already won? What do you mean?

Vote:MalkThe2nd

[Enigmacookie]

To be honest, the design of the game allows me to vote for you, with high certainty, Xarboth. I don't want to talk slag about Shadowsplicer, but from my point of view the game is not incredibly well balanced. But! I might be wrong! There might be so much more in the shadows!

Also, Shadowsplicer needs to update the thread. The deadline is tomorrow. Votecounts?

[Beeva]

I'm starting to get very confused here. A lot of claims going on that right now don't make sense and have not been questioned anywhere near enough.

Despite voting for him I'm alos really surprised about all these votes that dropped on Xarboth.

Would very much like to know exactly how long we have until deadline. There's a few questions I want the answers to before we go ahead and do something very rash indeed.

Unvote: Xarboth

I want to know why EC is suddenly so cocky. I also want to knwo why Malk thinks he's won this game also.

Xarboth, I didn't vote you for inactivity. I voted for you because of the reasons in my post and I'm unvoting you because I know full well I was being rash. At the time I thought the game needed that. Now I'm not so sure.

[Beeva]

Oh, and ShadowSplicer57.

[Loner]

The vote count:
Sneggy(1): Kilroy
Kilroy(1): Sneggy
Diagnosis ninja (1): Pox
Enigmacookie(1): Xarboth
Malk(1): Xarboth
Xarboth(5): Enigmacookie, Beeva, Loner, Malk, Diagnosis Ninja


Unvote: Xarboth.
At least it hurried the discussion along and the mafia can't complain about lack of targets... Still I dont exactly get where this came from and why it happened. :/

On a second thought: Shouldn't we at least be kinda suspicious of all of these claims?

[Beeva]

If I voted you off a bridge, would you jump?? :/

Kidding, but still....

[sneggy]

Unvote:Kilroy
Vote:Enigmacookie

So lets see whos being honest.
I dislike EC's bandwagonning on an active player on the grounds that the player is inactive. Also having been mafia with EC last game I know what a devious bugger he is.

So DrakonTheNightLord protect me tonight and tomorrow I share my findings. Drakon likely dies but he does anyway at this stage since he cannot be protected unless the mafia already have a better target.

[DrakonTheNightLord]

It shall be.

[ShadowSplicer57]

I apologize for my absence the past few days! I was unexpectedly helping a friend move and had little time to really sit at a computer for more than ten minutes at a time. I now have reliable access to a computer and should be able to perform my duties as a mod.

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Why are your friends always moving...

[Enigmacookie]

Hey, guys, let's not vote Xarboth! Let's all bandwagon EC instead! After all, he resparked conversation!

I'm sticking to my guns. Vote as I say, and you're guaranteed a mafia kill. I should probably be doctor targeted at night, though, as I'll most likely die otherwise, next night.

Tell you what, if Xarboth ain't mafia, I'll lynch myself tomorrow.

[Beeva]

EC, if you're so sure about Xarboth, why did you initially vote Sneggy on the previous page?

Also, why wait til now to tell us this?

Drakon made a cop claim, so if you're both cops (which is sort of what you may be implying), either one of you is lying or one of you will be insane.

[Pox]

unvote Ninja
Vote: Xarboth

With everyone shifting their votes away from him, real danger of EC getting caught in a backlash of he put a vote down, other people followed him therefore EC MUST have started a bandwagon and is the true evil. People made their own opinions up no-one had to vote and i certainly don't think he forced a bandwagon - i see mafia members at work here, so i'm gonna side with him and vote for Xarboth IF he does not turn out to be mafia then EC may well be fed to the lions next day but gonna do it in order so can learn the maximum from it.

*kicks people to man up and not shy away from making key votes, we are getting the whole "this thing is getting serious, run away" kinda approach again.*

[Xarboth]

I'm a rolecop. The reason why I've stated that I'm inclined to believe Beeva's claim is that I've investigated it. It came up as exactly the same as those who are dead - i.e. "non-guilty resident of the town" since quoting directly isn't allowed.

I'm not a normal cop, I'm a rolecop who can investigate abilities - which is why it's not just convenient that I'm saying Beeva's innocent. I'm confirming Beeva doesn't have a role, which I wouldn't know if I were simply mafia and knew he was innocent because I was guilty. The fact that we have at least one cop (possibly another with EC if he's not lying) plus the rolecop suggests that the mafia have some decent powers as well as their night kill.

[Pox]

I'm a rolecop. The reason why I've stated that I'm inclined to believe Beeva's claim is that I've investigated it. It came up as exactly the same as those who are dead - i.e. "non-guilty resident of the town" since quoting directly isn't allowed.

So you know if someone is innocent/guilty AND what their role is seems a bit op.


The fact that we have at least one cop (possibly another with EC if he's not lying) plus the rolecop suggests that the mafia have some decent powers as well as their night kill.

so you are claiming to have a power, which investigates roles AND you are saying that you fully expect mafia members to have some decent powers...*blinks* *blinks again* ooookay doubly sticking with my vote now!


I'm not a normal cop, I'm a rolecop who can investigate abilities - which is why it's not just convenient that I'm saying Beeva's innocent. I'm confirming Beeva doesn't have a role, which I wouldn't know if I were simply mafia and knew he was innocent because I was guilty.

indeed it would be something you would not know if you where simply mafia BUT if you where mafia with a power say rolecop then you WOULD know it and still be mafia, and as you said you fully expect mafia to have some night abilities.

rolecop even sounds like a mafia power, it is of little use to the town if it does not confirm guilt/innocence as a result of "no power" could be mafia or regular townsperson whilst it is of GREAT use to mafia as it can be used to locate cops, doctors etc especially in a game where their is a lot of regular townies.

*buys lynch - hands it over to Xarboth*

[Xarboth]

To be honest, I think the deadline was actually up about 8 hours ago - in fact, before ShadowSplicer57 posted last but didn't actually do anything.

[Beeva]

With everyone shifting their votes away from him, real danger of EC getting caught in a backlash of he put a vote down, other people followed him therefore EC MUST have started a bandwagon and is the true evil. People made their own opinions up no-one had to vote and i certainly don't think he forced a bandwagon - i see mafia members at work here, so i'm gonna side with him and vote for Xarboth IF he does not turn out to be mafia then EC may well be fed to the lions next day but gonna do it in order so can learn the maximum from it.

It's not a case of manning up for me, and I'm certainly not accusing EC of any wrong doing at the minute but there's a few things in this game that seem to be passing over my head and that makes me nervous. The speed in which the Xarboth votes piled up also just made me feel the need to put the brakes on while I try (and fail) to make sense of some of this.

EC and Drakon have put forward very similar claims but they only way for a Cop to know their sanity right now would be to have investigated someone with a proven alignment i.e. Aussie or Stalker, as this is day two neither of them could have done that and still make those claims. But why would EC vote Sneggy first, then switch to Xarboth under the pretence he was inactive?

Xarboth's claimed role is certainly an odd one. If you were able to determine someone's role, without directly learnign their alignment, it would be a pretty easy stretch to work out what side they are on in most cases. No power = Most likely town, Doctor/cop etc = Town, Tracker/watcher = potentially both... If, for example there was a serial Killer or Vigilante it would be most likely that their only power would be a nightkill. Hider = town, double voter would be somewhat harder...

I'm with Pox here, it's either Mafia or overpowered town.

[Beeva]

To be honest, I think the deadline was actually up about 8 hours ago - in fact, before ShadowSplicer57 posted last but didn't actually do anything.

This does feel like the longest day phase ever. I also can't believe ShadowSplicer57 would completely miss the point of why we summoned him in the first place!

ShadowSplicer57 ShadowSplicer57 ShadowSplicer57 ShadowSplicer57

[Loner]

Wasn't there also a cop claim from sneggy?



Since I now have nothing to lose (deadline is coming up soon) I'll level with you all.
I am the cop, Pox is innocent I investigated him on night one. All of you try and be active on day three so we actually have a chance for the town to win this game. Congratulations on killing off an active and very useful member of the town team on day two for no reasoning whatsoever.

I'm inclined to agree with ninja about the way forum mafia is going atm.

Page 8, post 146.

We suddenly got two (sane) cops?
Xarboth and Sneggy.

Drakon made the claim of being a doctor and so far I see no reason to doubt him.

Vote: Xarboth.

[Beeva]

No, I'm the cop! (sorry, Spartacus related humour there)

Thanks Loner, you're right. It was Sneggy, not Drakon who made the cop claim.

Looks like Drakon is getting blamed for everything! I blame the red text!

[Loner]

No, I'm the cop! (sorry, Spartacus related humour there)

Thanks Loner, you're right. It was Sneggy, not Drakon who made the cop claim.

Looks like Drakon is getting blamed for everything! I blame the red text!

Sorry, hastily read through the thread and saw several people saying they were cops thus I scratched the back of my skull and wondered what to do.
Well either way we have a lot of role claims on our hands...

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Malk seems to be avoiding us...

[MalkThe2nd]

What, was I supposed to pop in and say "oops"?

Yes, I did say I've already won. Any other ?s

[Beeva]

You could explain how?

If you've already won it makes no difference to tell us, right?

[Enigmacookie]

Malks win condition was probably something along the lines of "get stalker21 killed" or something. Would not surprise me.
Xarboth is lynched now, right? I think he's at 6 votes. And if he's not, he's got the majority of votes and the time's up. Good going, town! Technically, that means it is night time, and we probably should not discuss much more.
ShadowSplicer57
It's your game. Take care of it.

[MalkThe2nd]

Well it wouldn't change anything for me per se, I mainly said it to see the reactions.

I'm willing to say I'm a neutral party. However I am certainly not a Serial Killer, hence I am not a "threat" to the town. The only way I can "prove" I'm not an SK this early is to simply say there was only one kill last night, which is a huge risk as a 2nd party may have been blocked Night 1.

[Beeva]

This is all very odd...

If Malk is telling us he's already won I presume this means he either can't be killed or he wins if he's alive or dead.

I can't see why we shouldn't test that theory in Day 3. Day 2 seems pretty decided.

For some reason Malks claim also reminded me of this:



I don't even doubt this. I, too, have a very strange victory condition.

I take it that means that ECs victory condition is not the same as the towns. Also needs investigating.

[Enigmacookie]

This is all very odd...

If Malk is telling us he's already won I presume this means he either can't be killed or he wins if he's alive or dead.

I can't see why we shouldn't test that theory in Day 3. Day 2 seems pretty decided.

For some reason Malks claim also reminded me of this:



I take it that means that ECs victory condition is not the same as the towns. Also needs investigating.

Oh, I share victory conditions with the town allright. But there's a caveat to make up for my awesome powers of perception!

[Beeva]

Well, if Xarboth turns out to be town then I'm sure there'll be more question.

Just wanted to make sure that was out there for day 3, should I not get the chance to mention it again.

[ShadowSplicer57]

As the bright of day began to disperse once more, the townspeople again demanded blood. After hours of debate that seemed to stretch their full lengths of time, they eventually turned on Xarboth. As the situation escalated, and more and more began to accuse him, they backed him into a corner and took the nervous fear upon his face as all the evidence they needed. Suddenly he was held in place, a sword was produced, and in the final moments before it met his neck to dissever head from body he shouted: "The Cardemones will rise again!". A hysterical laugh was cut short with a spray of blood and he dropped to the ground. Searching the contents of his pockets, they found papers, papers containing orders to root out the most powerful members of the resistance. It would seem that Xarboth was a Mafia Rolecop. Finally granted with a meager success, the resistance made for their beds, still knowing that the night would not rest, and that one of them may not be there in the morning...

It is now Night Two. You have 48 Hours to notify me of any night actions, terrible mod out.

[sneggy]

We are now entering the 60th hour of this 48 hour night phase......

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Patience, Viceroy - patience.

[ShadowSplicer57]

Sorry, I was awaiting confirmation on a night action.

Venice awakes in terror. A scream, piercing through the canals as the day begins to arise above the horizon. Once more the citizens of Venice knew that someone had died, and once more were forced to discover who it had been. They followed the panicked shouting to someone who pointed fearfully towards an overhanging balcony. Skillfully pierced upon the spike iron was the lifeless form of Pox, as a puddle of blood formed down on the ground. Like others who had died before him, Pox seemed to be a normal Innocent Townie. While some worked to get the corpse down, they suddenly shouted curses and pointed further down the canal. Lying dead in a river boat was the body of Kilroy, his brains plastered on the wooden hull with a bullet in his head. It would appear that he was a normal Innocent Townie. The remnants of the crowd stared fleetingly around at eachother, wary of all, and knew that the story was close to its end. But what that end was no one could rightly say.

It is now Day 3, this Day Phase will last a week. Five votes required for the lynch.

[Kilroy]

Who would commit such a heinous crime :c

WOOOOoooOOOooOOOooOOoo!

[DrakonTheNightLord]

WHY

[Pox]

yeah WHY was i not killed off Night 1 *is slightly disappointed* oh well goes and joins Kilroy in a series of ghostly hauntings...

[Baragash]

FYI (ignores howls of derision for current participation levels) I'm off on an all day Stag Do now, so yeah.....

[sneggy]

So I investigated Enigmacookie last night. he is innocent.
So me, drakon, and EC innocents. (I assume you are all satisified that I am the pro-town rolecop now? since I called pox as innocent and he has been proved to be so)

So that leaves Beeva, Bara, Malk, loner and Ninja. anyone got an inkling one way or the other?

[Loner]

Just because you say someone is innocent and he turns out to be innocent proves nothing...
If you are a mafiamember, you know perfectly well who is and who isn't part of the town.
Still I've got nothing against you. :P

Considering the night actions there are two things that stand out:
How can there suddenly be two nightkills? The first day we only had one guy dying...
Why did they go after Kilroy and Pox? There were several more tempting targets (if I were a mafia) I would be going after someone who claimed to be a doctor or a cop...
It's a shame that we lost Pox, otherwise he could probably gain a load of information out of this...

Now perhaps I'm getting kinda paranoid here but in the last game Diagnosis Ninja had to die, before I could become a vigilante. Malk mentioned that his 'goal' was fulfilled, although he never said what it was.

Also EC had a special goal too, but it's never said what it was...

So a lot of accusions, but it was more meant to spark up the conversation rather than pointing any fingers... After all, that's what helps the game along.. :P

[MalkThe2nd]

Kilroy's death looks like a vigil to me. Shot to the head is pretty standard fair.

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Kilroy seems to be a standard mafia killer, so I think the other kill was that of a vigilante. This is alas another problem with mafia mania, we build memes and perceptions from other games and bring it into a new game, as clearly the motivation behind this vigilante kill was MUST NOT TRUST POX. This is why I chose to trust Pox this game, because he can't be mafia EVERY F*CKING game.

[Diagnosis Ninja]

bullet to the head? man, there goes my mental images of 16th century Venice.

Why is it suddenly that everyone is a cop?

And why is it suddenly that everyone seems to have alternate win conditions?

[ShadowSplicer57]

bullet to the head? man, there goes my mental images of 16th century Venice.

Why is it suddenly that everyone is a cop?

And why is it suddenly that everyone seems to have alternate win conditions?
Late 1800's, when the Mafia families were really in their prime over in Italy.

[sneggy]

Of my list of people I know are not innocent Loner certainly seems the most suspicious thus far.

So in order to get the ball rolling (since no one is willing to go first)

Vote:Loner

[Diagnosis Ninja]

Just because you say someone is innocent and he turns out to be innocent proves nothing...
If you are a mafiamember, you know perfectly well who is and who isn't part of the town.
Still I've got nothing against you. :P

Considering the night actions there are two things that stand out:
How can there suddenly be two nightkills? The first day we only had one guy dying...
Why did they go after Kilroy and Pox? There were several more tempting targets (if I were a mafia) I would be going after someone who claimed to be a doctor or a cop...
It's a shame that we lost Pox, otherwise he could probably gain a load of information out of this...

Now perhaps I'm getting kinda paranoid here but in the last game Diagnosis Ninja had to die, before I could become a vigilante. Malk mentioned that his 'goal' was fulfilled, although he never said what it was.

Also EC had a special goal too, but it's never said what it was...

So a lot of accusions, but it was more meant to spark up the conversation rather than pointing any fingers... After all, that's what helps the game along.. :P

two Nightkills: Either a Vigilante who didn't kill on night one, or:

Someone who gained their powers after night one. So far, there's been at least two claims of alternate win conditions. I'm guessing there's multiple factions at work.

Also, relating to Mafia 27: Did you know I was the Vigilante last game, Loner? However that point does lead to something interesting. It's possible that someone gained their night kill ability after any of the deaths so far.

It could be that there are setups in place with staggered ability unlocks, which could explain how everyone seems to be doing something.

[Beeva]

Ok, firstly sorry for not posting before now, I've been on a stag weekend so am only just home in front of a computer.


Kilroy seems to be a standard mafia killer, so I think the other kill was that of a vigilante.

Can I just clarify, I'm with everyone else's logic that Kilroy was probably the vigilante kill (at least that's what I'm calling it right now) and that Pox was the Mafia kill. DO you disagree, Drakon? Just curious if you're reading it differently.

So day 2, Malk claims that his victory condition has been met. He also claims that he is neutral i.e. not town, not mafia. Last night, we get two kills. So if I am reading this correctly I think it's safe to assume this second killer is Malk. He did expressly state he wasn't a SK but didn't say anything about not being a vigilante. Freudian slip?


I'm willing to say I'm a neutral party. However I am certainly not a Serial Killer, hence I am not a "threat" to the town. The only way I can "prove" I'm not an SK this early is to simply say there was only one kill last night, which is a huge risk as a 2nd party may have been blocked Night 1.

If Malk has already won and is just seeing this game out right now maybe he's just popping people off? Or maybe he really thought Kilroy was Mafia. Or, is Vigilante another red herring? Wouldn't a vigilante be a Townie technically? Maybe some kind of hitman or something?

I've also been wracking my brains to work out what this victory condition is. It was claimed mid way through Day 2. The only actual events that happened at that point, and I mean actual actions, is that Aussie was night killed and Stalker was lynched. If Aussie was a Mafia kill, then how would that satisfy Malks victory condition if he isn't Mafia? Alternatively maybe it was to get Stalker killed by a Lynch (or any means). But a victory condition to kill a normal townie? For a non-Mafia?

I'm struggling to see what this condition might be and if Malk is actually a threat or not to town.

Now, the Pox kill is very interesting if this was Mafia. There were several claims made yesterday by supposedly powerful townies; 1 Cop, 1 Doctor and EC (I'm not sure what it is he's claiming but he was certainly right about Xarboth and was emphatic enough to suggest he had proof). So why not one of these targets? I can understand Sneggy as it was suggested Drakon might protect him. But why not target Drakon? Or EC?

Why Pox? Is he really that dangerous?? Someone obviously thinks so. More so than a Cop or a Doctor obviously. Unless the Mafia know those people aren't who they say they are. I also wonder if Pox was targeted because he was on to something. Pox's main clash was with DNinja, in which Pox voted for him. DNinja then return voted Pox and also accused me and Pox of being in Cahoots (See posts 132 & 134). Interestingly the other person to come down heavily on Pox was Xarboth in post 103.

If I go back to my epic two groups theory (Yes, I'm still banging on about that). The only people left from Group A are Me, Malk (We sort of know about him), Bara, Loner & Ninja. My gut feeling is telling me Loner is ok. He's not aroused my suspicion anyway. Bara? Fuck knows. He's not had any meaningful content since early day one so why he doesn't bow out of this game I really don't know. One of those (at least), to me is Mafia.

Out of my Group B, Only Drakon, Sneggy and EC are still around (Xarboth was in that group along with Kilroy). I'm pretty comfortable with all those people at the moment. Sneggy's story is holding water right now after Pox turned up green. So I'm pretty comfortable in thinking that two of my remaning Group A are Mafia.

So all of that is a roundabout way of saying Vote: Diagnosis Ninja. He's making me the most nervous right now. It was a tough call between him and Malk, the deciding factor is that I'm not convinced as to whether Malk is an actual threat or not. I kind of believe what he's saying, I just hope my interpretation of that is accurate.

[Loner]

Of my list of people I know are not innocent Loner certainly seems the most suspicious thus far.

So in order to get the ball rolling (since no one is willing to go first)

Vote:Loner
If I may ask, why am I suspicous? What have I done that tells you that I am suspicious?
I've stated what I thought and for what it's worth not because I think we should vote for someone or not.

As ShadowSplicer said in the opening of the day, the game is coming to an end and I am just wondering which one...

[Loner]

Also: If the cops have investigated someone (which I assume they did) why not share the results?
I mean the mafia as well as the town knows who you are, so it's better to tell us something now before losing it all later.

[ShadowSplicer57]

Votecount:
Diagnosis Ninja (1): Beeva
Loner (1): Sneggy

About 5 and 1/2 Days until deadline I think.

[DrakonTheNightLord]

DO you disagree, Drakon?

I disagree, and it's the other way around, but that's inconsequential. Bottomline, 2 innocents are dead.

[Enigmacookie]

Why do you think Pox was the vigilante kill, though, Drakon? Kilroy was killed by a bullet, which seems to be the standard vigilante/sk way of offing.
Sneggy: We've got no proof that you're a pro town rolecop until you've correctly identified a mafia member, and even then it's not 100% guaranteed proof. If you were a mafia, of course you would know that Kilroy and I are innocent - as you'd obviously know who the mafia were.

I'm also really curious about Malk's victory condition, and if he's already won I think he might as well tell us.
My victory condition isn't so strange that I can actually win before the game is over!

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Vigilante = Batman / Konrad Curze = KILLS GRUESOMELY.
Mafia = Shot.

That's how I see it, but like I said, there ain't really much point in discussing this further, we might make it into something bigger than it is, and the mafia will be laughing at us.

EC brings up a good point though - investigation claims are a bit moot sometimes, and I'll trust Sneggy only when he delivers a red mafia to us, like I did last game.

[sneggy]

I have thus far been unlucky. Picking two innocents for investigation. As soon as I get a red investigation I will be sure to share it.

At whoever asked why the cop is not sharing there info I am. Pox and ec both innocent so far. Stated that in an earlier post.

On my phone ATM, so will give a more detailed post later on.

[DrakonTheNightLord]

Who was the rolecop again? Beeva? How did investigations go?

[Beeva]

I investigated the back of my eyelids. They were innocent.

Sneggy claims to be a sane cop. Xarboth claimed to be a role cop. Not sure what it was EC claimed but he appears to have had Xarboths number.

[DrakonTheNightLord]

My mistake, Xarboth it was. I keep mistaking one for the other :/

[Enigmacookie]

I'm not a cop. I'm more like....I can...discern...the intentions of players, but my power largely relies on the actual behaviour and actions of the players in the game. If I told you how it worked, the mafia would easily be able to hide from it - which is why I'm not telling you exactly how it works.

[MalkThe2nd]

I prefer to keep my win mysterious, as my name has changed.

Honestly, I'm not feeling very strong either way. But, due to the mod saying he had to wait for night actions we know at least one activated power is inactive.

Vote: Baragash For general lack of content and low post count

[Baragash]

I find it unlikely that EC is Mafia, assuming I know which power he has (which I'm guessing based on having had one that sounds like it before - it's quite rare to see it), claiming that power is just one of those claims that would be too ridiculous to make if it wasn't true.

I give no proprs to sneggy though as a Mafia player would know who is innocent anyway, and backing up another innocent's claim is a fairly basic way to try and create town cred.

(Also FYI me posting is nothing to do with the above vote, I've finally got a little time to myself whilst I wait to take the mother-in-law-to-be back to the airport for her flight home).

[Loner]

Not quite sure what to think of all of this though...
Also is Sneggy going to give his longer post or not? :P

[ShadowSplicer57]

Votecount:
Diagnosis Ninja (1): Beeva
Loner (1): Sneggy
Baragash (1): MalkThe2nd

About one and a half days until deadline.

[Enigmacookie]

Allright, not a lot of time left! The stars are speaking, and I'm going to
Vote: Baragash

[Beeva]

I am fast running out of things to say about this game. Shame really.

I'm not particularly opposed to lynching Bara on the premise of his absence. Not only has he posted infrequently but he has contributed so little to the group as a whole that makes me wonder why he didn't offer up his place to a replacement. Maybe he is indeed mafia. Maybe that explaine it. I just don't know. I'm keeping my vote where it is right now. I'm sure as I can be without concrete evidence telling me otherwise.

The one thing to remember before we go into the night phase: There are now only 8 of us remaining. Presumably 2 of those are mafia, 1 is a SK/Vigilante. Potentially there is also MAlk, who claims to be neutral, although I still believe that he is the SK/Vig. That leaves 5 or 4 town. If Bara is green then we lose another town from a mafia kill, taking us down to probably 3 town. So I would say if this second killer is a vigilante (lookign at you, Malk) Be very sure that your target is Mafia or do not make a kill. We can't afford to lose many more.

[Loner]

Dammit... >.>
Not sure where to vote or who to trust.
As for the cops and investigators, how about sharing who you have and who you haven't looked at?
This way we can cover more area's and prevent it from doing the same things three times over.

[Enigmacookie]

All right, let's throw more wood on the fire - or however the expression goes. I'll just share all the information I've got at the moment, so that I don't bring any information with me to the grave:

Baragash and Xarbtoh are mafia. 100% certainly
Sneggy, Diagnosis Ninja and Kilroy (no shit...) are innocents, 100% certainly

My power is very, very powerful and I'm a townie. I win with the town, but only if I'm alive when we win.

[Beeva]

Ok, I'm happy to trust EC right now on the strength of his xarboth claim.

Vote: Bara

If Bara does indeed come out red then I'm prepared to trust anything he says, therefore his list of innocents.

That would mean that one of the below people are the remaining mafia:
Me
Drakon
Loner
Malk

I don't know what it is that triggers ECs power but I'll happily say anything in order to help him get a reading on me.
I am not Mafia
I am a townie
I have no role
I think Bara is Mafia
Go town!

I'm guessing none of that helped :D

[Loner]

Vote: Baragash
Also if that list is correct, then Drakon is innocent too. :P
He was mentioned as being a doctor and so far I don't see any reason to doubt him. :P

[Beeva]

Well, I don't see any reason to trust him either. He hasn't saved anyone yet!

Also, if you're saying Drakon is innocent, and presumably yourself. You're either saying that me or Malk are Mafia, or that I'm definitely Mafia based on Malks claim being genuine. Interesting.

[Loner]

Well, I don't see any reason to trust him either. He hasn't saved anyone yet!

Also, if you're saying Drakon is innocent, and presumably yourself. You're either saying that me or Malk are Mafia, or that I'm definitely Mafia based on Malks claim being genuine. Interesting.
Well, everyone could have lied.
Sure; EC turned up Xarboth, but it could have been a clever trick to cover themselves. Xarboth isn't the dumbest and we've noticed it before. Still I might be turning a bit paranoia here.

But if what you've said is correct:
Beeva: Claimed cop.
Drakon: Claimed doctor.
Malk: Claimed neutral. (Serial Killer/vigilante?)
Well one of them obviously must have lied if there are indeed 3 mafia.
But we're getting ahead of our selves as I would like to see how Baragash turns up.

[Loner]

Also I don't have any time at the moment, but I've found out something! :D
Will post it later... Not many time at the moment.
If the game gets updated before: Drakon, protect me tonight!

[Beeva]

I didn't claim cop.

[Loner]

That kinda screws up my plan...

Either way: I've gone so far that I can't back down now.
From what I've gathered and what is correct, I see no reason to doubt EC or Drakon.
"Why?!" Because I'm also going to make my own roleclaim. (Drums, please! :D)
Well I guess you could have seen this one coming:
I'm the vigilante.

I'm part of the town and I win if we kill all of the mafia members.

Drakon is a real doctor as on the first night, I tried to kill EC and I was roleblocked. (Probably by a doctor... If it were a mafia, it would't have been too hard for them to figure this out and kill me on the second night...)
As requested earlier: Drakon, protect me tonight and we can win this one. (And chances are quite likely that you might even survive this one too! :D)

So my idea: Malk2nd and/or Beeva is/are mafia.
Here's why: I've asked Malk several times for his winning conditions, but he didn't give them. As for Beeva: It is that you haven't been able to turn up any real evidence. Though I do think that Malk is more likely to be mafia than Beeva.
Then there are several flaws in my plan:
Why did Malk start voting for Baragash?
Why did we have so many claims from investigators?

As for the night: I'll either kill Beeva or Malk, depending upon who can supply a good enough reason to stay alive for one more night.

[Enigmacookie]

I would have been so pissed if I hadn't been protected from you the first night....

[Loner]

Well, at least Drakon saved you. :) Which also proves his claim as a doctor.

[Beeva]

As for the night: I'll either kill Beeva or Malk, depending upon who can supply a good enough reason to stay alive for one more night.


I'm not entirely sure what you expect me to say. I'm not going to tell you anything different to what I've already said.

For the record though, no. I didn't see that coming. It doesn't prove Drakon though. You said you were roleblocked. That's different from a Doctor protecting someone surely? I don't know what you get told either by a doctor or by a victim or potential murderer. Getting roleblocked though would suggest you have to be told....

I also, by my own process of elimination, if I am to believe you, it would make Malk Mafia. Malk has made such an odd roleclaim that I can't help but believe it. That makes one of us here a liar.

Who did you kill then on Nigh 2, Loner? At least the method of murder can be proved at least for Day 4. It would help to peace together some info.

I can't escape the feeling I'm being played.

[ShadowSplicer57]

Vote Count:
Baragash (4): MalkThe2nd, Enigmacookie, Beeva, Loner
Loner (1): Sneggy

A little under 12 hours remains in the Day.

[DrakonTheNightLord]

On the first day, EC was a good as bet as any, but then I've had come to some suspicions, so I didn't revisit the same protection the next day.

Vote: Baragash

If Bara is mafia, my protection goes to EC.

[MalkThe2nd]

Still pressing that claim Loner?

Ask EC, he knew right away lol.

[Loner]

No Drakon, if I may be so blunt, if I decide to go after Malk and he kills me before I can kill him, you guys have to lynch him on day 3. (And I'm dead...)
However if we nightkill him, then the game ends then and there. (But I would still be alive :D)
Or we're in trouble the next day... When it turns out that someone has died.

Either way, you could have been better to try to mess with the mafia's mind a bit: You could have said to defend me and then still protect EC.
Then they could have decided to go after someone else, but at least then we can get the nightkill off.

However, you should ultimately decide who you wish to protect and which role you deem more important. The investigator can look who is mafia and who isn't without killing them. The vigilant is able to get ridd of them straight away.

To sum up:
No, I don't think it was smart to make my roleclaim as it didn't have the effect that I had hoped for. I'd rather have the idea that I've signed my own deathwarrant rather than that I've saved the town.
In case I die tonight, assuming I die after I get to kill Malk, can EC investigate Beeva? It should tell you everything you need to know. :)

[Loner]

As for Beeva:
Would it hugely matter which method I used?
I might even request ShadowSplicer to try something different than usual. :P

As for Malk:
Everyone knew already that I was the vigilant?...
I guess I suck as a vigilant... As it turns out that everyone already knew and I didn't achieve what I hoped to achieve.

[ShadowSplicer57]

Orange and pink lights descended upon the horizon, cascading the water streets of Venice with iridescent beauty one last time. These waters, which were wrought with the memories of death, of blood, now shining glimmering as ever in the final hour of sunlight. The day was drawing near, and as was a life. After deciding that the situation was far too severe to turn back, the people of Venice decided that they must kill once more. It was not long at all before they noticed the striking absence of Baragash from all of their clues... And from the local area. Immediately the hunt was on, into the the Venice night. Torchlights flickered through alleys and across short bridges, and there came the band of hunters, keen to track down what was surely to be their final kill. Sneggy could tell that there was still hope of catching him, noticing the signs of a rushed escape route alongside the canal. He ventured further ahead of the group with Loner and Diagnosis Ninja sprinting right alongside him, guns at the ready. Suddenly thunderous cracks split the air, as two bullets ripped through Sneggy's side, Loner and Diagnosis Ninja dove for cover, but a bullet impacted Loner in the left leg, stranding him out in the open. Diagnosis Ninja found himself face to face with Baragash in the open, there was a long pause before there at last came the cackling and exhausted words of the Mafia Godfather himself, who did not lower his weapon. "Kill him." Diagnosis Ninja pointed the gun at Loner, incapacitated on the ground, who stared up at him in dismay. A glimmer of thought suddenly flashed from Diagnosis Ninja's eyes, panic? Regret? No-Realization! From the ground Sneggy, bleeding profusely, had managed to gain hold of his gun, he fired at Baragash blasting away the gun by a bullet through the hand. Just then, Enigmacookie, who had been just ahead of the rest, who now loudly made their pursuit of the noisy struggle, came across the scene. And as Ninja and Enigmacookie's eyes met, there came a moment of truth, of betrayal. Baragash now saw, as he faced the barrel of Ninja's gun, the pair of star-crossed lovers who had orchestrated his family's demise. "Traitor!" As if in impulse at the word Ninja fired, blood flashing across his face: a portrait of sadness and guilt. "Hurry!" He grabbed Enigmacookie by the hand, still stunned by the event, and they escaped away into the night. The rest of the town came to see the pair rushing off into the darkness, with the two wounded lying near the fallen corpse of Baragash. Beeva began to pursue, but Loner spoke "No, let them go. Perhaps I'll find them another day. Perhaps not. But by god it is ended, it is done." As Drakon tended to Sneggy, and the mob began to surround the scene of the duel, they couldn't help but notice an eery smile stretched across Baragash's frozen face. In his final moments of life, the master Cardemone had been beaten at his own game, and found a hidden comfort among his end: The Cardemone bloodline would survive.

Somewhere, in the darkness of Italy's nearby countryside, two worn out travelers collapsed onto the grass, staring upwards towards the stars. Venice, still visible, was wrought with light, as many filed out their homes to hear news of the fall of The Cardemones. Diagnosis Ninja watched, his expression hard to read. "The water looks like fire from here. Burning." "Venice has been restored eternally, forever." Enigmacookie affirmed. But Ninja shook his head, "No. There will be blood here again. There always will be. All is but a ballet of blood and fire, and this has been but a dance." A pause of silence. "Will it ever burn out?" Enigmacookie asks. "No." A kiss.

FIN.

TOWN/LOVER/LYNCHER VICTORY!
TOWN WINNERS:
Loner - Pro-Town Vigilante
Sneggy - Pro-Town Cop
DrakonTheNightLord - Doctor
Pox - Townie
Beeva -Townie
Aussie01 - Townie
Kilroy - Townie
Stalker21 - Townie
LOVER WINNERS:
Diagnosis Ninja - Mafia Lover
Enigmacookie - Townie Lover
LYNCHER WINNER:
MalkThe2nd - Lyncher/Survivor

HERE IS YOUR ROLES LIST:
MAFIA:
Baragash - Mafia Godfather
It is by your decree that the Cardemone Family has risen to such violent power, your actions, your choices. Some may say that they have been bloody, but look now how your family thrives! All that remains is to wash away the filth and begin anew, so that the Cardemones can begin a new era of control in Venice.

You are the Mafia Godfather, any investigations against you will come up as innocent so long as there is another Mafia member alive. You may talk with your Mafia here: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/ZMgufYwPkGc5. Each night the mafia will decide upon a person to kill during the night and who will carry out that kill. You win when the Mafia controls 50% of the Town.
Diagnosis Ninja - Mafia Lover
In the romantic city of Venice, love reaches its icy hand even to the most obscure possibilities. Despite being a member of the Cardemone Family, you have an undying love that cannot be interrupted no matter how much the circumstances would seek to drive you apart.

You are a Mafia Lover, along with your Townie Lover, Enigmacookie. At any time during the game you may talk with your partner here: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/5yzy6pTTFah. If you or your partner dies at any point during the game, then the remaining partner will automatically commit suicide. Aside from this, you will function as a normal Mafia Goon and may talk with your Mafia here: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/ZMgufYwPkGc5. Each night, the Mafia may decide to use its factional kill and who will carry out that kill. Your fellow Mafia members do not know that you are a Mafia Lover and believe you are just a normal Mafia Goon. You win if you and your partner are still alive by the end of the game and can also gain a posthumous factional win should you fail to survive and the Mafia controls 50% of the Town.
Xarboth - Mafia Rolecop
With the Cardemone Family as powerful as it is, it is only safe to assume that there are those who would seek to question its rule. It is for this reason that you work as a shining red light to drive out those who would put a bane to your family name and secure the empowered dominance of the Cardemone Family once and for all.

You are a Mafia Rolecop, each night you may choose to investigate the role of a town player. Aside from this, you function as a normal Mafia Goon, and may speak with your Mafia here: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/ZMgufYwPkGc5. Each night the Mafia will decide upon a person to kill during the night and who will carry out that kill. You win when the Mafia controls 50% of the town.
THIRD-PARTY:
MalkThe2nd - Lyncher/Survivor
They say hatred brings out the worst in people, but you feel inclined to disagree. In fact, to you it is quite the contrary: Hatred gets things done. If there is someone you despise, then why not see to it that they meet their end before you meet yours? With the coming bloodshed, you feel pressured to say the least, you must see that bastard hanging from the gallows from his neck as it so rightly deserves to bear his weight.

You are a Lyncher, and must try and get Stalker21 lynched during a Day Phase. If Stalker21 is killed by any other means, your target will instead become his killer. You win if Stalker21 is lynched or if his killer is lynched. Once Stalker21 has been lynched, you will work as a Survivor with your only goal being to survive the game, however even if you are killed after lynching your target, you will be mentioned as a winner along with the winning side.
TOWN:
Enigmacookie - Townie Lover
In the romantic city of Venice, love reaches its icy hand even to the most obscure possibilities. Despite loving a member of the Cardemone Family, you have an undying love that cannot be interrupted no matter how much the circumstances would seek to drive you apart.

You are a Townie Lover, along with your Mafia Lover, Diagnosis Ninja. At ant time during the game you may talk with your partner here: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/5yzy6pTTFah. If you or your partner dies at any point during the game, then the remaining partner will automatically commit suicide. Aside from this, you will function as a normal Townie and will use your vote as your weapon. You win if you and your partner are still alive by the end of the game and can also gain a posthumous win should you fail to survive and all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
Loner - Pro-Town Vigilante
With so much innocent blood spilt, it was only a matter of time before someone had decided to step up and take the fight straight to the enemy. While the others sought more diplomatic solutions to the problem, you vowed to see the blood of the Cardemones flow during the night.

You are a Pro-Town Vigilante, who may choose to kill someone during the night by sending their name to the moderator via private message. Aside from this, you will function as a normal Townie and will use your vote as your weapon. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Sneggy - Pro-Town Cop
In the wake of the recent murders and crime, your job has never been more important. With the Cardemones anonymously rising to power in Venice, it is up to you to shine a light into the coming darkness and ensure that their bitter reign is brought to a quick end before it can truly begin.

You are a Cop, each night you may choose to investigate the alignment of a player and may receive some flavor on what their role might be by sending their name to the moderator via private message. Aside from this, you will function as a normal Townie and will use your vote as your weapon. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
DrakonTheNightLord - Doctor
You’ve seen so many people die. Too many to count, family and friends among them. Every day in Venice is a constant reminder of why you do what you do, saving people. You preserve their very lives in the hopes that one day, the insidious reign of the Cardemones will be brought to an end. Also, Paraguay.

You are a Doctor, each night you may choose to protect someone from a night kill by sending their name to the moderator via private message. Aside from this, you will function as a normal Townie and will use your vote as your weapon. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.
Aussie01, Beeva, Pox, Stalker21, and Kilroy - Townies
It is clear to you that Venice will not last long as is, the Cardemones are quickly amassing a great deal of power through violent and terrifying means. And it is almost certain that your role as a citizen will bear more weight than it has ever before, but this is your city, the city of dreams, and you will not let the waters run red with innocent blood any longer.

You are a normal Townie, and will use your vote as your weapon. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

LOG:
Day One:
Stalker21 Lynched.
Night One:
Loner targets Enigmacookie.
Drakon protects Enigmacookie.
Sneggy investigates Pox, gets a result of Innocent.
Aussie01 killed by the Mafia.
Xarboth investigates Beeva, gets result of a Normal Townie.
Day Two:
Xarboth Lynched.
Night Two:
Drakon protects Beeva.
Pox killed by Mafia.
Loner kills Kilroy.
Day Three:
Baragash Lynched. Town/Lover/Lyncher victory.

POST-GAME THOUGHTS:
I am the worst mod ever. /thread

[Loner]

I screwed up! :D \o/