Into the Belly of the Beast (MAFIA GAME) Terrorists win!

[DeathForce]

but I am lazy doesn't me being right the first time give me credit?

[DeathForce]

actually looking back at the votes you voted for Zawicki and I don't think you would vote your own off so you are free for now!

Andon, Tarion and Edmund are my short list.

[Magnus777z]

Andon hasn't done anything since the game started, I think we need a modkill/replacement Kilroy.

@scythes
Could you elaborate a little more on your reasons for voting vs Helmar? And why are you choosing to vote so soon?

I think Moz did kill Gnomesbane, just seems to fit to me.
Moz thought Gnome was suspicious going into the night phase. Nobody else expressed serious concerns about him. Moz had a role, and brutal doesnt sound like a doctor to me.

[Subzero]

There's no mention of any other anti-town group in the background info and Brutal Terrorist does sound like a Vigilante role, so that's a likely answer. Of course, we'll have to wait until the next phase before there's conclusive evidence that there's another anti-town player or another killing role besides the Mafia.

Deathforce, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by '[gives] me credit' but if you mean that voting against a player who was lynched and found to be anti-town gives your suspicions more credibility then that's not the case. Of course, being correct in your suspicion means that people may be more likely to support what you say later on in the game if you're consistently correct, but if we had to give everyone who voted for Zawicki (some of whom may have been Mafia members) the same degree of credibility then it would rapidly become very hard to agree on someone to vote for because that many people would surely have different ideas.

Aside from that, regardless of how credible you are as an innocent you still have to support what you say, both to try and convince others to follow your viewpoint and to provide falsifiable evidence if people disagree with you.

If you or anyone else who's playing their first game this time has any other questions about the rules and mechanics of Mafia, or the way the game is played, feel free to ask me. Alternatively, sign up to play an Intro Mafia game (the link to the signup topic is in my sig, it's the one to the Mafia Guide/Discussion topic). I think the current one waiting for signups doesn't need any more new players, although some of the new people on the list may not want to play any more. In any case, just post in the topic and say that you want to sign up to the Intro game.

[DeathForce]

I want the credit because I was the one pushing so hard to have him lynched. You guys would still be twiddling your thumbs playing musical votes if I didn't press the issue.

[Baragash]

I think Moz did kill Gnomesbane, just seems to fit to me.
Moz thought Gnome was suspicious going into the night phase. Nobody else expressed serious concerns about him. Moz had a role, and brutal doesnt sound like a doctor to me.

Whilst I agree Moz probably had a kill ability, the fluff implies Gnomes was taken out with a machine gun, but Moz had blood on his hands. Yes, symbolically that would say Moz took Gnomes out, but descriptively it implies he didn't. Maybe Moz targetted someone else and failed, was intercepted somehow, or someone else is dead and we just don't know it?

[edmundblack]

Maybe Moz saw who did it, tried to sneak away, was seen, hunted down, he fought back, lost, and died.

Only two people and no real mention of a third party? There has to be one somewhere. Which brings the question - where has p3 got to? Is anyone above suspicion here?

[DeathForce]

I haven't heard from P3 since the night phase I am not sure he knows that it is the day phase yet. someone actually investigated me last night and let me know about it, they can vouch for us now but I am not sure if that person wants to come forward with the information or keep it secret.

[scythes]

Early on during the beginning of the Mason debate, Helmawr was one fo the stronger voices trying to get P3 and DF to claim they were actually mason's, which would be beneficial for the agents to know, as any group against them would be bad, and I even mentioned this earlier. Gnomesbane voted for him earlier on, and is now dead. In Mozrics big list of what he thought about everyone, he was suspicious of Helmawr.

It all seems like a huge coincidence that the only two who voiced any real suspicions of him are dead. Though, looking back over everything more thoroughly, I may have voted too quickly. He still looks extremely suspicious in my eyes, but not quite enough to rate a vote after re-evaluating the information.

Unvote: Inquisitor Helmawr

Although, I would like to hear some discussion from him and from some more people beings how the second day is up and running now.

[Thyhadras]

Well scythes that does seem to make sense to me.... I also find it to be strange that the two to appose some one are both now dead... perhaps we should look into this a little more....

[Doohicky]

Okay, first thing, I would like to call for a Mod kill/replacement of Andon. He is not taking part and I don't think that is fair.

We could of course lynch him, but it's a completely blind lynch and is pretty much the same thing as us saying we are abstaining. I'd like some more opinions on this.

As to who looks most guilty. Hard to see anyone standing out at the moment. A lot of people are sitting on the fence and giving no real opinion either way. Sythes is most vocal at this point in my opinion, so I am taking him as one of the least suspicious. He makes good points about Helmawr, but at the same time, how hard could it have been for the mafia to notice the same thing and kill Mozric/Gnomesbane because they knew where suspicion would go.

I would have to agree though that I think Mozric is a vigilante role, and killed Gnomesbane by accident. The splattering of a machine gun fits in with Brutal, and then his own killing has the mark of an assassin all over it. SOmething done by someone who wants to be quick, efficient and secret.

Next point, why so sure there are only two factions? Check the OP, It says there are the rebels and the government, but that the Russians themselves will have an interest (I will put the full quote in the next post). Whether they have a pro-town, pro mafia or their own interests only they will know, but I am sure Kilroy would not have put that information in there unless it was meant to be used.

I know I have been as helpful as everyone else about who is Mafia, but like last time, the more we speak the more likely someone will slip up.

[Doohicky]

Recently a small terrorist cell thought up the perfect plan to end Federov's reign of terror. However Federov has gotten wind of this perfect plan and has instructed his agents to eliminate all the terrorists themselves. It is also expected that the russian goverment, still angry at the rebellion of Rhonya might have a role in this battle of wills

I have highlighted the bit where it says about the russian government.

[Baragash]

Presumably you are suggesting there is a third faction, the text implies that it would be a pro-town group, possibly DF & P3?

[Doohicky]

Presumably you are suggesting there is a third faction, the text implies that it would be a pro-town group, possibly DF & P3?

I wouldn't want to say for definate, but I would guess at pro town. I would assume the Government would want Federov taken down by the rebels, but it's all speculation at this point.

[p3990013]

Presumably you are suggesting there is a third faction, the text implies that it would be a pro-town group, possibly DF & P3?

probably :mrgreen:

[DeathForce]

I think Andon needs to be killed as well if he is not participating

[shotcoder]

I do agree with the masses that Andon either be mod killed or replaced. Doohicky is right, its not fair because we can't deduce if he is mafia or innocent which puts a great crutch in this game.

Also it looks like DF and P3 are the other pro-town faction.

Doohicky....still alive and providing good information. :lol: is this the reason you've been the first out in the past few mafia games?

Thyhadrus, I don't know what it is about the way you post but it just irks me a lot. it may be the excessive amounts of ...........

[Doohicky]

I do agree with the masses that Andon either be mod killed or replaced. Doohicky is right, its not fair because we can't deduce if he is mafia or innocent which puts a great crutch in this game.

Also it looks like DF and P3 are the other pro-town faction.

Doohicky....still alive and providing good information. :lol: is this the reason you've been the first out in the past few mafia games?

Thyhadrus, I don't know what it is about the way you post but it just irks me a lot. it may be the excessive amounts of ...........

Sometimes, and other times I was Mafia and just got caught/tried to kill a protected person.. LOL

Anyway, can we have word from Kilroy on whether Andon will be mod killed or not. If he is Mod killed, then we can forget about him. If not, we have to decide what to do.

[Subzero]

I would prefer to see him replaced rather than mod-killed because mod-killing is effectively an extra kill for the Mafia.

[DeathForce]

I would prefer to see him replaced rather than mod-killed because mod-killing is effectively an extra kill for the Mafia.

this is true and if he was mafia that means they are just down another person.

[Kilroy]

Alright. If nobody offers to replace Andon by the end of day 2 or he doesn't start posting, I'll mod kill him.

[Baragash]

I think for the sake of focus here, I will confirm that I did indeed investigate Deathforce over night, and his claims of innocence are true.

[DeathForce]

yay for baragash

[DeathForce]

Well we need to start deciding who we are going to vote, I have decided on Edmund because even if it is your first game buddy you are rather suspicious.

so Vote: Edmund

[p3990013]

vote: edmundblack :smt006

I'll support deathforce in his decision as I know he's innocent too!

[DeathForce]

excellent 5 more votes guys

[Doohicky]

I don't want to just jump on a bandwagon here, but there isn't much else forthcoming. So Edmund, convince us why we shouldn't be suspicious of you beyond the 'I'm new to this' reason.

I'll hold off any voting until I hear something.

[DeathForce]

Fair enough, I will keep my vote on for some incentive. We will make you talk one way or another!

[DeathForce]

Kilroy reading the first post and the one you wrote about Zawicki after we lynched him, in one you say he was an agent and the other an assassin. Which one is correct?

[Baragash]

Also, Kilroy, you've taken the day out of the title, character limit reached?

[DeathForce]

well its still the day phase obviously since we haven't voted anyone yet :P

[Kilroy]

Yeah ran out of caracters. But we all know its day 2.
Zawicki is a Government agent or, more precisely, an assasin.

Vote count of Dooom!
Ed(2): P3, Deathforce

Needed for lynch: 7

[edmundblack]

Nope, sorry, nothing from me. :Hangman:

What the hell can I say or do to get the suspicion off me? Not a lot. Once minds are made up, they are made up, whether a vote has been cast or not. Can I vote for me?

[Subzero]

Vote: Ed

I know you're a new player but you're getting far too defensive about receiving two votes which haven't exactly received a high degree of attention, even going so far as to ask if you can vote yourself (you can, but I don't see why you'd want to do that as either the town or the Mafia).

[DeathForce]

Kilroy Assassin is spelled this way :P

[Kilroy]

:roll:

[shotcoder]

Vote:Ed

Ed you are making it extremely difficult for us not to vote against you. I'm not trying to bandwagon vote but you're just in that bad of a spot. First you get overly defensive about to nonchalant votes and then you ask about voting for yourself? seems like you've given up.

[edmundblack]

I'm not making it hard for anyone. In fact, I think I'm making it easy. ;)

[shotcoder]

So are you just giving up?

[Doohicky]

I REALLY think Ed is a suicide bomber. Whoever gives the last vote will die with him.

[Subzero]

Then make him put the last vote on himself if we actually do decide to lynch him. He seems quite keen to do it anyway.

[DeathForce]

well that is mighty interesting, if ed is a suicide bomber would that mean he is a neutral?

[Magnus777z]

Don't just assume he has a role, and that said role is that of a suicide bomer.

He may be making it easy, but really look at yourselves. I don't see a whole lot of real reasoning, just looks like another bandwagon to me. Even sub really didn't post a reason which is really out of character.
Come on guys, How about we stay on track for a productive vote? At least post up better arguements or theories.

[DeathForce]

well we really didn't learn much in the night phase other then I was innocent, so all we have is speculation and Eds shady behavior makes him a likely candidate.

[Magnus777z]

No, you claim that someone thinks you are innocent.
That's all.

Does anyone have a thoery as to why Mozric was killed? Not who by specifically, just why?

[DeathForce]

well from the description, it would seem that he tried to kill someone and failed.

[DeathForce]

I didn't claim that someone thinks I am innocent they did that. lol

[Magnus777z]

It's all still based on your word that it happened at all.

[Thyhadras]

Perhaps we should wait for one more night before voting for ed?? I mean he does seem apt to want to die... and at the same time we can not affford to lose any one else... I think we should think about this matter a bit more before we off another who may indeed be part of the cell....

course that is just my little bit of advice...

[DeathForce]

@magnus no the investigator came forward and said so , if you actually read the thread you would know that though.

@thyhadras Or we can hang him since he seems pretty useless either way.

[shotcoder]

Unvote: Ed

@ DF if you weren't already proven innocent I would vote for you out of sheer bloodlust. Every pro-town member is valuable and you can't throw people away.

really, there's been quite a few people who haven't posted since the day phase started. So I ask please come forward and voice your opinion.

[DeathForce]

I am not bloodthirsty I just don't like to dick around in useless debate.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

Sorry i havent posted for a while, ive been in ireland for a week, without the internet. but im back. :smt006

Scythes has asked me to answer his accusations. Why did two people who thought me suspicous both die in a single night phase? To be honest, its a little hard to defend against coincidence. I dont think theres a conspiracy against me, because, quite frankly, i dont think im that important in the eyes of the mafia. (meaning the possibility that the mafia set me up by killing those who found me suspicious).

as for other impressions, i have a few.

firstly, mozric. i dont think that he was a vigilante, even if you guys do. The weapon of choice in the first killing was a machine gun, and I reckn that we would have found the machine gun on his corpse. I realise some people disagree with me, but that’s just my thinking. As for why he was killed, I would imagine its because he was either onto something, or seen to be the most active and effective townsperson. If that’s the case, I think we should be looking at magnus and tarion, because those are the ones he said were suspicious. Also, scythes and shotcoder, because, as mozric said, they had voted for deathforce. I don’t think that mozric’s suspicions are enough to vote on, but are most likely the reasons for his death.

Secondly edmund. There is definitetly something fishy going on here. Is he potentially immune to the lynch? The suicide bomber thing has been considered, but what about immunity? Would make him powerful, and a very good way to waste a lynch. Additionally, the guy is too dedicated to this forum to mess around. Its gotta be a plan. (As a side note,could he be a thrill seeker (think that’s right), who needs to get the largest number of votes to win?)

I do have an important question, which I don’t think anyone has considered: why was edmund in zawicki’s death scene? If we work off the premise that nothing is included by kilroy on a whim, then details must be important. Edmund, with a chair leg, yet not voting…hmm. Not sure what to make of this, so thought id throw it out there.

Thirdly, the multiple deaths. If we have a third faction, and it is p3/deathforce (has been implied), then id suggest that there wont be any more. Of course, I realise I could be wrong, but, if this is the case, either we have a vigilante/serial killer/other killing role, or the mafia has two night kills. Based on this, while mozric seems the obvious solution, and we wont know until the next night.

Fourthly, baragash. Hes just come out of the closet and admitted he can investigate. Who did he investigate on night one?

Anyhow, im unwilling to vote on anything yet. Edmund is fishy as hell, and otherwise everythings just too unclear. Would like to see some talking from anyone else who hasn’t yet (list of quiet people later).

[Baragash]

Fourthly, baragash. Hes just come out of the closet and admitted he can investigate. Who did he investigate on night one?

Mozzie. It never became an issue.

[edmundblack]

Vote - Baragash.

Well, I could vote for Deathforce, he obviously wants me dead (for some reason), but that would be a trivial backlash with no real reason behind it (yet). But Baragash - investigated Mozric, and now he's dead. He found something out, and wanted to remove an unfortunate bystander, or in this case a Brutal Terrorist. I think he's some sort of high-up power, able to hire others to do his dirty work, such as an Assassin. Something more then just a Cop or similar. Possible, though who it might be I don't know. Thyhadras seems to be sticking to the shadows, so maybe he is hiding something. But Doohicky discovers Mozrics body (which could be a convenient "discovery") soon after he (Moz) was investigated. Might be nothing, but first on the scene is suspicious. Did he know he was there? Was he tipped off? I think Baragesh is a Govt Agent able to investigate and hire Assassins to do his dirty work in order to keep his hands clean.

[Baragash]

but that would be a trivial backlash with no real reason behind it (yet).

Apart from me putting a lot of pressure on you last (game) day.


But Baragash - investigated Mozric, and now he's dead.

Coincidence. And the unsurprisingly obvious conclusion I expected someone to draw. Had I revealed it yesterday, there's every chance I wouldn't be alive to have this conversation. However, a lot of people are still really suspicious of DF & P3, so I decided it was in the interests of the town to rule them out of the speculation and avoid the death of innocents by our own hands before the Mafia gets too far ahead, even if it makes me a target.

How about responding to some of the accusations against you Ed?

[edmundblack]

but that would be a trivial backlash with no real reason behind it (yet).

Apart from me putting a lot of pressure on you last (game) day.


But Baragash - investigated Mozric, and now he's dead.

Did you? :?


Coincidence. And the unsurprisingly obvious conclusion I expected someone to draw. Had I revealed it yesterday, there's every chance I wouldn't be alive to have this conversation. However, a lot of people are still really suspicious of DF & P3, so I decided it was in the interests of the town to rule them out of the speculation and avoid the death of innocents by our own hands before the Mafia gets too far ahead, even if it makes me a target.

Well, if many were thinking it, I have voiced it. It may be obvious, but trying to read too much into things will very often cause you to get tied up, and hoist by your own petard. So, I prefer to keep things simple, as this is often the case. I thought DF and p3 were Masons. Can they kill people? (if there are some role briefs somewhere I could read again, that would be great. The links on page 1 aren't working, they go back to the old forum). I find it odd though that DF votes for me, and then p3 follows suit. OK, they have similar roles and possibly aims, but voting bandwagon style gets you nowhere. I shall however stick with my vote unless something changes my mind. Sorry to dissapoint those who wanted me to vote for me.

[Doohicky]

DF and P3 have already confirmed they are working together. It would make sense that they would discuss between them who they find suspicious and vote accordingly together.


Edmund you keep trying to slide suspicion off you and have yet to make any actual defense of your own.
For that reason:

Vote - Endmundblack

[edmundblack]

Edmund you keep trying to slide suspicion off you and have yet to make any actual defense of your own.

Such as?

[Baragash]

Well, if many were thinking it, I have voiced it. It may be obvious, but trying to read too much into things will very often cause you to get tied up, and hoist by your own petard.

Fair play. I would also observe that I never targetted Moz for suspicion on Day 1. Yes, I know it's not evidence, but at least my behaviour is consistent. This is why when Moz posted his full player evaluation you'll notice my post takes it at face value when I comment on Helmawr (IIRC) & Zawicki (wrongly as it turned out), although I do hold a slightly different position to Moz's views.


Can they kill people? (if there are some role briefs somewhere I could read again, that would be great. The links on page 1 aren't working, they go back to the old forum).

The Mason role itself simply means they know who other Masons are, but that doesn't mean they don't have others abilities.

@Magnus: I said DF was innocent when I investigated him.

[Doohicky]

Edmund you keep trying to slide suspicion off you and have yet to make any actual defense of your own.

Such as?

Well I can't really quote any defense since you haven't made any :lol:

But Baragash is a good example of you trying to push suspicion onto others. He admitted he investigated Mozric. He could easily have said he investigated Gnomesbane who didn't have any noticable power from his name. In my opinion this adds to his legibility as he obviously would have known what people would think.
Then you have tried to make the Masons look like they are bandwagoning, when it's a perfectly valid idea for a pair of masons to discuss and vote together.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

Edmund is looking worse and worse...and no comments about him holding the chair leg yet.

regardless, i want baragash to formally present his findings. by that, i want to know if he was merely able to learn pro, or antitown, or if he could give a rolename. if he could give deathforces rolename, we would be able to see if he actually knows something, or is simply a mafia playing silly buggers

[Baragash]

Edmund is looking worse and worse...and no comments about him holding the chair leg yet.

regardless, i want baragash to formally present his findings. by that, i want to know if he was merely able to learn pro, or antitown, or if he could give a rolename. if he could give deathforces rolename, we would be able to see if he actually knows something, or is simply a mafia playing silly buggers

Sorry, it's a very uninformative "Innocent" (and presumably "Guilty" if I strike gold), standard "Cop" role.

Seeing it from Ed's point of view, as I said he has a fair point, and I'm not disputing the "oh that's convenient" angle of how it might look. He was quite feisty coming in all chair legs blazing like that though. :smt075

I am not comfortable voting for Ed yet, as his behaviour is soo out of character (for Ed or someone in a Mafia game).

[scythes]

Edmund is looking worse and worse...and no comments about him holding the chair leg yet.

regardless, i want baragash to formally present his findings. by that, i want to know if he was merely able to learn pro, or antitown, or if he could give a rolename. if he could give deathforces rolename, we would be able to see if he actually knows something, or is simply a mafia playing silly buggers

This is the second time Helmawr has asked for a full description of a role or what they know. It really seems as if he's an agent trying to find out as much as he possibly can about pro-town roles so he knows who's loss will hurt the town the most. Perhaps my earlier vote wasn't too soon or uninformed, thus...

Vote: Inquisitor Helmawr

[Tarion'Maseth]

Edmund is looking worse and worse...and no comments about him holding the chair leg yet.

regardless, i want baragash to formally present his findings. by that, i want to know if he was merely able to learn pro, or antitown, or if he could give a rolename. if he could give deathforces rolename, we would be able to see if he actually knows something, or is simply a mafia playing silly buggers

This is the second time Helmawr has asked for a full description of a role or what they know. It really seems as if he's an agent trying to find out as much as he possibly can about pro-town roles so he knows who's loss will hurt the town the most. Perhaps my earlier vote wasn't too soon or uninformed, thus...

Vote: Inquisitor HelmawrThen again, it's easy enough to fake this information. The further it's tested, the better. As Baragash has provided no information that can be proven, it's logical to ask for more information.

[DeathForce]

yar can I get a vote count please :)

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

scythes, i apologise. my way of thinking was that if he offered a role name, then we would get confirmaiton of whether or not he was a bonafide investigator, as if he got it wrong, one of the masons would be able to point out his mistake.

[DeathForce]

I don't know though a roll name wouldn't mean very much if you ask me

so far we have a terrorist, a brutal terrorist, and an assassin besides the obviousness of the assassin, we still don't know what a terrorist or a brutal does exactly.

[Kilroy]

Vote count of Dooom!
Ed(4): P3, Deathforce, Subzero, Doohicky
Baragash(1): Ed
Helmawr(1): Scythes

Needed for lynch: 7

[Thyhadras]

baragash, you can investigate??... perhaps you should investigate ed... that might help us to solve this problem of what to do with him... remember the town people dont win unless all the agents are dead.... so we really need to make sure when we lynch some one they are not one of our own... frivolous lynchings may be getting things done.... however it is getting things done in the wrong way....

So I am still saying we need to investigate these matters further... (and really what else do you guys have to do other than play this game for like 15 minutes a day)

[scythes]

Investigative rolls only get to do it at night, then only once per night. He can't just investigate people any time he wants or it'd be too easy.

[Thyhadras]

Oh I know very well.... I am just saying that he should investigate Ed.... and leave others to investigate helm... then we could see what exactly is going on with the both of them...

[DeathForce]

baragash, you can investigate??... perhaps you should investigate ed... that might help us to solve this problem of what to do with him... remember the town people dont win unless all the agents are dead.... so we really need to make sure when we lynch some one they are not one of our own... frivolous lynchings may be getting things done.... however it is getting things done in the wrong way....

So I am still saying we need to investigate these matters further... (and really what else do you guys have to do other than play this game for like 15 minutes a day)

Um thyhadras we need to lynch someone so we can move onto the night phase. So um yeah....

[Thyhadras]

Bah fine then.....

Vote Magnus

I will not vote for ed as he is as least participating and him wanting to die is quite strange... I beleive that with his death some one else will be dieing with him..

[DeathForce]

why are you voting magnus thats just random as hell

[Thyhadras]

yea it is random as hell... however I do not know anyhting about them... and I fear that voting for ED may get me killed which I would rather not be dieing.... you said that some one needs to die in order for us to continue... so why not magnus... you know what actually fine then DF, I will just follow you on this one

unvote magnus

Vote Ed

[Baragash]

Oh I know very well.... I am just saying that he should investigate Ed.... and leave others to investigate helm... then we could see what exactly is going on with the both of them...

There are 3 or 4 candidates for investigation at this stage. A final decision has yet to be made.

[scythes]

Oh I know very well.... I am just saying that he should investigate Ed.... and leave others to investigate helm... then we could see what exactly is going on with the both of them...

I'm sure investigators have suspicious people they want to investigate already, but regardless, it can't happen until the night phase, so patience is a must. It seems strange you would just throw Helmawr's name out there as I'm one of the few voicing any suspicions about him right now, I haven't seen anyone suggest investigating him. Are you trying to push people away from looking at him to protect him because you are both agents? This seems extremely fishy to me.

Also, DF, you're not doing anything useful in proving you're a mason by throwing out random votes and changing them a couple times a day. For all we know you, P3, and Baragash could be agents all working together. Who's to say Baragash didn't just "say" he investigated you to drop some suspicion. I think the only thing saving you is P3 is pretty quiet and Baragash seems innocent. If you didn't have those two backing you up I'm pretty sure you'd be a huge target by your recent actions.

My vote remains on Inquisitor Helmawr for the above reasons, but Thyhadras is acting very fishy also.

[Baragash]

For all we know you, P3, and Baragash could be agents all working together.

P3 voted for me for no reason at the start of day 1, and I responded by voting for him for a pointless vote given Sub had already allocated me a random vote to kick things off.

That would be some planning ahead to have that stashed away for a rainy day.

I assure you, there was no connection between myself and DF before this "morning".

[Thyhadras]

I may be implying for him to not investigate helm because perhaps I can...

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

It would be relatively easy to set up something like hat though. however, i think it highly unlikely, particularly as the real masons would proably have come forward by now.

i think that, unless all the active players agree on one lynch candidate, we arent gonna get anywhere, as so many are inactive. if we aren't sure about edmund, or me, or anyone, should we go for a lurker? i know its a bit of a random vote, but if we pick someone whos not posting, it would at least make the game go quicker.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

sorry for the double post - thy got in before me.

feel free to investigate me, but first, whod you investigate the previous two nights?

[edmundblack]

if we pick someone whos not posting, it would at least make the game go quicker.

True. If they want to save their sorry ass, they should participate. Just laying low and hoping to not draw attention to yourself shouldn't be a way to survive.

By that logic then:-

Unvote - Baragash

Vote - Andon

[Doohicky]

if we pick someone whos not posting, it would at least make the game go quicker.

True. If they want to save their sorry ass, they should participate. Just laying low and hoping to not draw attention to yourself shouldn't be a way to survive.

By that logic then:-

Unvote - Baragash

Vote - Andon

Kilroy is actively looking for a replacement for Andon, so a vote for him at the moment is wasted. If no replacement is found, he is getting Mod Killed anyway as far as I remember.

[edmundblack]

if we pick someone whos not posting, it would at least make the game go quicker.

True. If they want to save their sorry ass, they should participate. Just laying low and hoping to not draw attention to yourself shouldn't be a way to survive.

By that logic then:-

Unvote - Baragash

Vote - Andon

Kilroy is actively looking for a replacement for Andon, so a vote for him at the moment is wasted. If no replacement is found, he is getting Mod Killed anyway as far as I remember.

I'll keep it for now, as he might turn up. If he does get the noose anyway, I'll change it.

[Thyhadras]

I dont know who I investigated first night... I cant remember, however I then investigated moz, and he promptly died : (

[Doohicky]

I dont know who I investigated first night... I cant remember, however I then investigated moz, and he promptly died : (

I call Shenanigans!
How can you 'Forget' who you investigated? You get a PM telling you!

Unvote - Edmundblack

Vote - Thyhadras

[edmundblack]

Which also gives the game away as to what role he actually has. And yes, mildly suspicious. So, my attention turns from Baragash and the "convenient" investigation followed by death of Mozric, to Thyhadras and the similar circumstances.

Who did you hire to do it? We know it was you, come on, out with it, we know it was you, we saw you do it, so who was it? (trying the Detritus method of interrogation). :D

Unvote - Andon

[Baragash]

I dont know who I investigated first night... I cant remember, however I then investigated moz, and he promptly died : (

If you really have an investigative role, you'll know that I generalised in my earlier post, and that Kilroy has used a themed word to mean "Innocent".

If you don't know what it is then there is going to be a vote coming your way.

[scythes]

I was only fairly suspicious of Thyhadras earlier, but now I'm very suspicious, and his little slip trying to protect Helmawr just reinforced my theories. I would vote for both if I could, but for now I'm keeping my vote on Helmawr.

[Subzero]

Here are some significant posts by Thyhadras:


I believe that we should handle magnus...

Vote:magnus
Nothing very suspicious here, it just seems odd that he would vote for Magnus at the start and then make an apparently utterly random vote late on the second day for Magnus again with no reasoning behind it.

Well I prefer to stay to the shadows and watch and see how things are unfolding, making my self very known to paranoid towns people and to over zealous imperial agents has never been high on my list of things to do...
Seems like an excuse for lurking to me. Shortly after this, after he was called out on this, he tried to push off suspicion from himself onto Deathforce who had also been quiet up until that point. However, it had been only a day from the start of the game, so Deathforce would be much less suspicious for not posting until then compared to someone who actually voiced their intention to lurk.

Thyhadras also made the last vote against Zawicki but did it immediately after seeing that the vote count was 8 against Zawicki and gave no reason for his vote.

I beleive that with [Ed's] death some one else will be dieing with him..

and I fear that voting for ED may get me killed which I would rather not be dieing
The idea that Ed is a Kamikaze-type role is still very much unsupported.

I may be implying for him to not investigate helm because perhaps I can...
Dissuading the first claimed investigator from investigating someone, then claiming to be able to investigate as well, then saying that he will investigate the person whom he doesn't want anyone else to investigate makes me moderately suspicious of both Thyhadras and Helmawr.

Helmawr's idea that we should lynch an inactive player when the game is well underway is now suspect in my opinion. Remember that we don't all have to agree on someone to lynch. Only the majority has to agree and then only by 1 vote more than half of the players. Suggesting that we lynch an inactive player, particularly when Kilroy is already searching for a replacement for the most inactive player right now (Andon), isn't a good idea at all by this point and doing so just to get the game moving faster is more likely to end up badly for the town than anything else. If we want to get the game moving faster we should be trying to encourage people to post so that the discussion moves faster; we shouldn't just be going for an arbitrary lynch on an inactive player because it's the fastest lynch we can get to. As such, in combination with Thydras' remarks about Helmawr, this makes me quite suspicious of the two of them.

By the way, Ed, the most common reason for lurking tends to be that the player is an Innocent who can't be bothered to play the game when they don't have a role with any abilities or information. Mafia avoiding contact is also likely, but the former is usually the case in my experience. Anyway, we'll have to see what Andon's replacement does before we can make any judgements about his inactivity.

Anyway, back to Thyhadras:

[quote]I dont know who I investigated first night... I cant remember, however I then investigated moz, and he promptly died : ([/quote
I'm sure everybody sees what's wrong with this. He has two nights that he has to claim to have investigated people on. The previous night can be covered up by claiming that he investigated a player who died, but the first night can't be because nobody died then so he's come up with the ridiculous story that he no longer remembers who he investigated. I'm sure that if that really was the case he would have asked Kilroy to re-send the investigation result before going ahead and making any claims about who he investigated. Anyway, this is extremely convenient for him and is probably the best reason for voting for him.

Anyway, I say we lynch Thyhadras today and if he's guilty we take on Helmawr.

Vote: Thyhadras

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

I dont look good do I? all i can say is that im not mafia. cant prove it, but there it is. i stand by my suggestion that in the absence of valid suspicions we should lynch a lurker. quite a few havent been talking, and contrary to what subzero has implied, i did not say we all had to agree on one target, but that the way it seemed, all the active players would have to agree. ergo to remove inactivity, would be to make it easier for the townspeople to lynch effectively, unburdened by nonposters.

that said, given that we have valid suspicion (im not including the ambiguity of edmund),

vote thyhadras

even though he might be able to investigate me to safety, if he 'cant remember who he investigated' and offers mozric's role, then i cant say im overly impressed with his investigative abilities. in fact, he seems downright suspicious, and if thyhadras cant satisfactorialy answer baragash:

If you really have an investigative role, you'll know that I generalised in my earlier post, and that Kilroy has used a themed word to mean "Innocent".
then he should die.

[Magnus777z]

Vote:thyhadras

You look guilty as sin right now, And I just don't believe you.

[edmundblack]

Well, I've given it time, but the back pedalling does nothing to help.

vote - Thyhadas.

[scythes]

As I posted above I would like to vote for both Thyhadras and Helmawr but I can only vote once. Beings how I'm not the only one seeing the link between the two now, and my vote for Helmawr doesn't seem to be going anywhere, I'll be changing to Thyhadras then voting for Helmawr tomorrow, unless something comes up. Thus...

Unvote: Inquisitor Helmawr

Vote: Thyhadras

[edmundblack]

Looking bad for him - only one more needed.

[scythes]

That little post actually looks bad for you Edmund, stirring the pot trying to get someone finished off whlie not actually doing the dirty deed. A lot of suspicion is often placed on the final voting person, but by stating that you get someone else to do it for you. Fishy I say, very fishy!

[edmundblack]

That little post actually looks bad for you Edmund, stirring the pot trying to get someone finished off whlie not actually doing the dirty deed. A lot of suspicion is often placed on the final voting person, but by stating that you get someone else to do it for you. Fishy I say, very fishy!

The simple fact that you read more into a simple observation then really needs it makes me suspicious of you and makes me think you are a pot stirrer. That was a simple observation, nothing more.

[Kilroy]

Vote count of Dooom!
Ed(3): P3, Deathforce ,Thyhadras
Thyhadras(6): Doohicky, Subzero, Helmawr, Magnus, Ed, Scythes
Needed for lynch: 7

[DeathForce]

Vote Thyhadras

[shotcoder]

I could have almost called that vote by DF. I don't know if its because he's predictable or because of his bloodlust but I don't like.

[DeathForce]

I would have voted earlier but I just got on, who cares that I am the last vote.

Where were you when all this was going down hmmmm?

[shotcoder]

sometimes when people raise the same suspicion's and voice them all you do is sit and watch things unfold. And things really unfolded differently than I anticipated so I didn't know what to do.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

sounds like a good excuse for lurking to me

[Kilroy]

They strung Thyhadras up and put a blindfold over his eyes. They brought him to an unused storage room. Andon, Subzero and Baragash all took an Ak-47 and armed themselves. Deathforce moved forward and offered him a cigarette. "Want one?" Deathforce inquired. Thyhadras nodded frantically and a long marlboro was stuck into his mouth. Deathforce lit it. He turned around and ordered the firing squad to shoot their prisoner. The trio brought their weapons onto the pathetic ex-terrorist. They looked at each other and their fingers went over the trigger. They fired. Thyhadras looked up milliseconds earlier. "I'M NOT GUILT..." he called out before the bullets ended his short life. His blood coloured the wall a vivid red.
"Gaaaaaaaaak" They heard from behind them. They turned around to see Andon clutching his chest. He was falling to the ground reaching for Subzero, the nearest person to him and gasped "Helllllppppp meeeeeeee...". He had just died from a major cardiac arrest.

Thyhadras was a Inquisitive terrorist.
Andon was a Manipulative agent. (Chosen at random, believe it or not.

It is now night 2.

[Baragash]

@ Thyhadras: *facepalm*

[DeathForce]

-grumbles and kicks edmund in his sleep-

[Thyhadras]

well it was fun : ) a shame you guys killed me off so quickly : (

[Kilroy]

No need to be bitter!

[DeathForce]

well it was fun : ) a shame you guys killed me off so quickly : (

well dude come on that was a huge gamble you took and it failed in epic proportion.

[Subzero]

Well crap, but at least another Mafioso is dead.

Anyway, I feel that Baragash's posts should be scrutinised given that he's claimed Cop with 1 easily believed result (Deathforce) and one useless result (Mozzie, wasn't it) and now we have a dead Cop. Now that we know Thyhadras was a Cop though Helmawr isn't automatically suspect. It may be possible that there are two Cops in the game but it seems like they're all going for the poor investigation choices.

Two things I would say to help Cops in future games is to a) not investigate people who are either heavily suspected or believed to be innocent (may end up being a waste of an investigation) and b) to not investigate people with a high profile because they may end up dead overnight, again wasting your investigation. Instead investigate people whom you have little-to-no views on.

[Thyhadras]

hehe I am not bitter.. I really did have fun : ).... just wish I could played one more day :) that is all Ok and now I will leave you guys to your game

[Baragash]

Anyway, I feel that Baragash's posts should be scrutinised given that he's claimed Cop with 1 easily believed result (Deathforce) and one useless result (Mozzie, wasn't it) and now we have a dead Cop.

Don't blame me.

1. I gave Thy the chance to demonstrate he was innocent by giving the specific "themed" result that you get from carrying out an investigation.

2. I didn't vote for Thy. I was waiting to give him to respond with an answer. A quick skim of the last two pages reveals that you all bandwagoned him before he responded to my question. Hardly sensible game play, but I would expect the Mafia to be in there somewhere.

In summary, way to go guys

[DeathForce]

Anyway, I feel that Baragash's posts should be scrutinised given that he's claimed Cop with 1 easily believed result (Deathforce) and one useless result (Mozzie, wasn't it) and now we have a dead Cop.

Don't blame me.

1. I gave Thy the chance to demonstrate he was innocent by giving the specific "themed" result that you get from carrying out an investigation.

2. I didn't vote for Thy. I was waiting to give him to respond with an answer. A quick skim of the last two pages reveals that you all bandwagoned him before he responded to my question. Hardly sensible game play, but I would expect the Mafia to be in there somewhere.

In summary, way to go guys

-belts him- go to sleep

[edmundblack]

*elbows deathforce to stop him snoring*

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

knees edmund in the goolies for the fun of it

[edmundblack]

Hmm, kinky! :twisted:

[Doohicky]

Farts in Helmawr's general direction. *Parp*

[edmundblack]

*inserts a cork into Doohicky*

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

Why are doohicky's farts innocent?

[Subzero]

Don't blame me.
When did I ever blame you? I'm talking about how you've claimed Cop, yet we have a dead Cop on our hands.


1. I gave Thy the chance to demonstrate he was innocent by giving the specific "themed" result that you get from carrying out an investigation.
'Themed' result? Before that you specifically said that you just got a straight 'Innocent' result (you also said that you guessed you would get 'Guilty' for an anti-town player). Thus you saying that Thyhadras could have confirmed himself by giving a 'themed' result doesn't seem as concrete as before. Here's the quote in question from you:

Sorry, it's a very uninformative "Innocent" (and presumably "Guilty" if I strike gold), standard "Cop" role.

Anyway, I'd be willing to trust your result on Deathforce if you die, because that's the only way to confirm that you're pro-town. If Deathforce dies and he's pro-town it doesn't mean that you, the person who claims to have investigated him and found him to be innocent, is also pro-town.

Lastly, now that we can see that both Zawicki and Andon are anti-town I think it's unlikely that there are two more connected anti-town players. Maybe one more Mafioso and a Serial Killer or a Mafioso and a Traitor.

Currently I'm going to say that I'm suspicious of Baragash and shotcoder.

[Baragash]

When did I ever blame you? I'm talking about how you've claimed Cop, yet we have a dead Cop on our hands.

A mess mostly of Thy's making, and the group as a whole for not letting him respond to my enquiry. Since you're so into reading posts, you'll notice very little agitating (if any) for Thy's death, in fact I was practically uninvolved.


Anyway, I'd be willing to trust your result on Deathforce if you die, because that's the only way to confirm that you're pro-town.

Or, it turns out there's a Doctor, who protects me (as I'm the most useful known role at the moment), and in order to confirm my innocence has to then out himself. You're either not thinking this through or you're Mafia desperate to get rid of me, and you're covering yourself against the eventuality of me surviving tonight. Yet another play would be for the Mafia to leave me alive in the hope that I will be lynched, especially as my chances of hitting a Mafia overnight with 2 already down are quite low.

[Subzero]

A mess mostly of Thy's making, and the group as a whole for not letting him respond to my enquiry. Since you're so into reading posts, you'll notice very little agitating (if any) for Thy's death, in fact I was practically uninvolved.
I'm referring to the fact that we have a claimed Cop and a confirmed yet dead Cop.


Or, it turns out there's a Doctor, who protects me (as I'm the most useful known role at the moment), and in order to confirm my innocence has to then out himself.
You're misunderstanding me. I'm not talking about you dying during the night, I'm talking about your death confirming your investigation results. Short of a third Cop appearing there's no way for you to be absolutely confirmed (along with the people you've investigated) without dying so that your role is revealed.


You're either not thinking this through or you're Mafia desperate to get rid of me, and you're covering yourself against the eventuality of me surviving tonight.
You seem to be under the impression that everyone believes your roleclaim and trusts you. Currently we have no evidence to make us believe in you. Additionally, as above I didn't mention anything about you getting killed tonight.


Yet another play would be for the Mafia to leave me alive in the hope that I will be lynched, especially as my chances of hitting a Mafia overnight with 2 already down are quite low.
1) You've done a nice job covering yourself here - if you don't die during the night then I was just waiting until the followin day to have you lynched.

Lastly, your response overall to me saying that the only way to confirm you is if you die is just odd in general. I said that

Anyway, I'd be willing to trust your result on Deathforce if you die, because that's the only way to confirm that you're pro-town.
but I don't see how in any way this could be me being a Mafioso trying to 'desperately get you killed'. If I was Mafia then what would be the purpose of talking about the best way to confirm your alignment (and thereby the alignments of your targets) with the secret intention of trying to kill you? I just can't follow your train of thought at all here; a Mafioso would just kill you regardless of what was said during the day phase, or they wouldn't kill you because it would confirm two more players (Deathforce and p399). I just can't see how me mentioning that the only way for your alignment to be absolutely confirmed is if you die makes me a Mafioso, so this just looks like an attempt to cast a lot of suspicion on me.

[Baragash]

Anyway, I feel that Baragash's posts should be scrutinised given that he's claimed Cop with 1 easily believed result (Deathforce) and one useless result (Mozzie, wasn't it) and now we have a dead Cop.

Subtext: Baragash's not overly helpful investigations and Thy's death are linked. Define useless? Useless when it was revealed, certainly. Given it was done in night zero, where there are 15 equal targets to chose from, no.


Anyway, I'd be willing to trust your result on Deathforce if you die

Subtext: if you don't die, you're looking very guilty. Of course if I die everyone will know the truth. There is no reason to make this statement other than to plant the seeds of doubt.


You seem to be under the impression that everyone believes your roleclaim and trusts you. Currently we have no evidence to make us believe in you. Additionally, as above I didn't mention anything about you getting killed tonight.

1. Near the start of the 1st day I pointed at Magnus as suspicious because he got onto Moz about his post being subliminally "hey, I'm pro-Town". Whether a player is Mafia or Town, their posts are going to appear pro-Town, so drawing attention to someone posting as if everyone believes them is making a lot of nothing.

2. Mentioning me being killed tonight is related to the subtext of quote 2 above.


I just can't see how me mentioning that the only way for your alignment to be absolutely confirmed is if you die makes me a Mafioso, so this just looks like an attempt to cast a lot of suspicion on me.

Like I said, if I die my role is revealed. Mentioning this has no merit, unless you are trying to push certain thoughts to the front of others minds (like "lynch Baragash if he lives"), or you consider the other players a bit dumb, which I find improbable.

It is an attempt to cast suspicion on you. There are two players I am not suspicious of, P3 and DF. Anyone else is still fair game in my book, so if there's buttons to push, I'm goin' a be a pushin' 'em, to see what drops out.

[Subzero]

Subtext: Baragash's not overly helpful investigations ...
Again, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. We have 1 dead Cop. We have 1 claimed Cop who has yet to provide any concrete evidence of their innocence. 2 Cops in one game seems a little unbalanced. This isn't exactly off-the-wall role speculation when the suggestion that Ed was a Kamikaze was taken seriously for a short while and the idea that a Kamikaze was in the game was stated right at the beginning.

Subtext: if you don't die, you're looking very guilty ...
Or to point out that the only way to know the truth if you only get innocent results is if you die so that we can see what your role is. You're completely misinterpreting my statement of 'the only way to know for sure whether you're telling the truth is if you die' as 'we should kill you to confirm your role'. Those are two entirely separate things and I distinctly said the former (which has nothing to do with actively killing you) and not the latter. Inventing your own take on my posts and then referring to it as the subtext I'm implanting in my posts is completely misrepresenting what I'm saying.

1. Near the start of the 1st day I pointed ...
There's a difference between posting as if you're pro-town, which everyone will do, and posting as if everyone believes you to be pro-town. Namely, the former involves only yourself and the latter involves everyone in the game. You simply can't compare the way players act on their own to the way they act when people assume that they are innocent.

2. Mentioning me being killed tonight is related to the subtext of quote 2 above.
Bullshit, pure and simple. You're suggesting that I can't even deny your claim that I said you would/should/whatever die tonight (I never said anything about the time that you should die, how you should die or anything like that, the entire idea that I'm suggesting that you should die is something of your creation alone) without it all being some kind of subliminal message master plan to trick everyone into lynching you.

Like I said, if I die my role is revealed ...
It has a lot of merit, because a) you're looking fairly suspicious as a claimed Cop when we already have one dead (and therefore confirmed) Cop and b) if you die and are found to be innocent that confirms Deathforce and, by extension, p399.

It is an attempt to cast suspicion on you ...
You're simply making mountains out of molehills, trying to make your interpretation of events seem like what actually happened and ignoring several other comments of mine, most notably the fact that you referred previously to a 'themed' Innocent result from your investigations, yet before that you said that you got a straight Innocent result (and guessed that you just got Guilty for anti-town players). I mean, looking back on this brief discussion there are two separate areas; firstly, you repeatedly failing to understand what I mean when I say we have one dead Cop and strangely, another claimed Cop, dragging out the discussion in that area. Secondly, you took the following comment of mine

Anyway, I'd be willing to trust your result on Deathforce if you die, because that's the only way to confirm that you're pro-town.
to be some kind of subliminal message encourage people to lynch you tomorrow, or some kind of attempt by me as Mafia to kill you in the night (an argument which you strangely seem to have dropped after I pointed out that it made no sense).

[Kilroy]

Just liked to mention you have 48 hours left.

[shotcoder]

Sorry guys but I'm going to be away from my house for the next two days so won't be able to check in on the progress here. I'll try my best to catch up when I get back.

[scythes]

You guys do realize this is the night phase and there's not actually supposed to be any chattign going on, right? Although that was some pretty interesting conversations. :mrgreen:

[Subzero]

Whoops, I misread the rules and thought it was okay to talk in the topic during the night phase, but that communicating via PM was restricted. The fact that people had been talking on both of the previous nights, even if they weren't discussing the game, didn't help much. Anyway, I guess I should stop talking now.

[Mozric]

Re: Doohicky, EB and Helmawr... don't spam up the topic please, it isn't the wastes.

And yes I am watching how this game goes. Go go team Terrorist!

[Kilroy]

It is okay to talk during night phase just no PMs.

[shotcoder]

Alright guys I'm back. Now to read what has been going on since I left.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

So...

Subzero thinks baragash is suspicious because he doesnt think there can be two investigative roles, and baragash thinks subzero is suspicious because he thinks hes setting him up for a lynch.

sound about right? :?

neither seems squeaky clean at the moment do they? still, until we have better information, we aint gonna be getting anywhere.

(radical suggestion, which even im not taking very seriously. could both be mafia, stirring it to put distance betweent themselves?)


anyhow, main purpose of this was to ask how much longer the nights gonna last.

[Subzero]

Two Mafia are already dead. Four Mafia is pushing it, really.

[scythes]

Well, it was originally set up to be a 20 person game, 4 agents out of 20 would be about right, we don't know if he scaled back since he only got 16 to sign up. An investigative roll and a pro-town night kill role is about right, might be another, along with the two masons. It looks like we've got most of the roles accounted for if you look at numbers, just have to figure out the last agent or two and we're set. Even though it looked like Thyhadras and Helmawr were linked somehow through Thyhadras posts, and his death should show Helmawr innocent through the link, I'm still very suspicious of Helmawr.

On a side note, I'm leaving today on vacation for 3 weeks, I'll have intermittant internet connection so I'll try my best to keep up with this. Just wanted you all to know if I'm not around a whole lot. 7 days in the carribbean > mafia. :mrgreen:

[Kilroy]

The next morning was a bad one for the members of the bunker. Another blast of rapid fire shooting awoke the surviving members of the bunker. Subzero was found lying sprawled on the floor. Filled with lead. He was a Terrorist .

Tarion'Maseth who was a Bored Terrorist was found, with a knife in his gut. It wasn't surprising that Tarion was killed after all he was infamous for beating back his monotomy by following people around. Despite this people were surprised to see him lying in the corner of his room, his pants soaked in blood.

Scythes was also found dead, shot a couple of times, floating on top of an overflowed room, The water completely red. P3 pulled the deceased Terrorist out of the water.

All three of them were cremated with honour, the surviving half of the bunker members looked at each other with extreme hostility. Nobody could be trusted...

[Magnus777z]

Holy Monkies!
3 Deaths, wow.

Ok assuming the mafia killed one, how did the other 2 die?

[Doohicky]

That's three killing roles at least then. I assumed the Brutal Terrorist was a vigilante type killing role, but now that I think of it, that role could actually have been an investigative role. I had a role similar to that in a previous game where I could investigate people and that meant they could not use any role powers that turn (Due to being brutally beaten while investigated).

That may explain why there were less kills in the last round. Of course I could be completely wrong.

To be honest some of the people I felt were most guilty looking are now dead. So this is NOT good from my point of view. I have to start again with the people that are left and see what I can work out.

[Magnus777z]

Why is P3 mentioned in the scythes death? P3 do you know any details about what happened?

I can guess why someone would target Sub or Scythes, they were both very active with their suspicions. But why Tarion? Because he is hard to link to anyone but Sub(who is dead now, so connection void).
It looks to me like Tarion was the mafia kill.

But still what could the others be? 1 time night kill roles? psycho doctors?

Doohicky I think 3 cops is pushing it. Thy was a cop, and he wasn't brutal. Add the Brutal and then Baragash, and you have three.
Either your theory is flawed or we should look at Baragash. I really don't see it your way though, I think Baragash is telling the truth.

So maybe your wrong(I think likely), or your right(Possible, but I don't think so), or your were trying to point in Baragash's direction without accussing him directly yourself.
Or do you have another option?

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

As the sun was on the verge of banishing night from the world, several repeated gunshots were heard. The people of the cell went to investigate. They found Gnomesbane a young Terrorist filled with bullets. His blood soaking the drab wall he was propped against, making a long red smear. He was dead.

Later that morning they cremated him. Not a tear was shed, for if they did, it might prove a sign of weakness. The person or people who did this to him might turn on them next.

They noticed Mozric wasn't there. They thought nothing of it.

Doohicky passed through a scarcely used about three hours after the make-shift funeral. Looking, at the ground he noticed a small drop of blood on they gray linoleum. He made another step. Another few drops of blood. He looked up from the ground.
He noticed several small drops of the stuff leading towards a janitorial closet. He opened it. Out fell Mozric, who was a Brutal terrorist , with a nicely sized hole in his forehead. On his fists, was someone elses blood. At least he didn't go down without a fight.

I would suggest that the subzero and gnomesbane kills came from the same source, as did the mozric and scythes, while Tarion was new. check out the underlined bits in the quote above, and compare to the death descriptions higher up the page. automatic weapon on sub/gnome, and smaller calibre on moz/scythes. only the stab is new. why or how he was targeted is another matter though.


For night kills, im going with one vigilante, one mafia and...a role blocker that kills the guy he blocks? tarion was following 'person x', and 'person x' stabbed him to block his role? if this is the case, i think that would make 'person x' either neutral, or anti town. the latter is more likely, thinking that kilroy didnt scale down the roleset from 20 to 16 players. i mean so far we have 1(2?) investigators, 2(?) masons, 2 night kills, a brutal terrorist and a bored terrorist, at least 7 of which are pro town roles (one of the night kills is likely to be vigilante, the other not so benign). therefore, i think that four mafia isnt out of the question.

(other possibilities are psycho, psycho doctor, etc.)

Im going to have to suggest that, given the targets, that the mozric/scythes source is the mafia. neither gnome nor tarion were particularly juicy targets for the mafia, as they were just standing at the back, sub has been active, but, with the possible exception of baragash (who would have been stupid to night kill sub after their public disabreement), doesnt seem to have made much progress, while mozric and scythes have both been highly active.

I find shotcoder particularly suspicious at this time, as he seemed to lurk for most of the day, and then magically appear. edmund too, for earlier reasons, and as for baragash...my decision on him is pending until we hear about his investigation.

Baragash, we need your input. was it edmund, me, or someone different? and if you say you investigated scythes, sub or tarion, i am going to be voting for you

[Doohicky]

and as for baragash...my decision on him is pending until we hear about his investigation.

Baragash, we need your input. was it edmund, me, or someone different? and if you say you investigated scythes, sub or tarion, i am going to be voting for you

I wouldn't be so hasty to vote for Baragash if he says he investigated one of the dead people. If he is Mafia (as I believe you imply he is if he says he investigated a dead person) then he would already know exactly who is and isn't pro town. So basically a Mafia person can pick anyone they like and say they investigated them and found them to be pro town.

What I am saying is that IF Baragash investigated a dead person in no way makes them mafia. Of course it in no way makes them innocent either.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

but we havent had a single useful result yet. subs rught - that does cast some doubt. and given that tarion was probably an investigative role - following people around - there are limits

[DeathForce]

balls where did my post go :smt013

anyways it boiled down to

Vote: Edmund

because he should have been voted off yesterday if Thy didn't screw up and forget who he investigated.

[Baragash]

Well it was Scythes as his timing in entering discussions seemed convenient. Unfortunately his timing of dying was somewhat inconvenient.

@Helmawr:

1. if I was Mafia, the only reason I'd call Scythes (or Mozric last time) is to mess with you. Surely I'd just pick someone who was alive (Mafia or Innocent), because as Doohicky pointed out, I'd know who was and wasn't Mafia. I'd also probably have a good idea of who was going to live through the night (barring unexpected role shennanigans).

2. as I said to Sub, useful and useless are not the same thing. Mozric's integrity didn't come into question. There were 11 people alive in the night phase, and there were 3 (P3, myself and DF) I wasn't going to be investigating. That's a 37.5% chance that my target wasn't going to survive.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

see, i was really hoping for a better response for that.

i said i would, so vote baragash

dont wanna do it, and we cant afford to lose him, if im wrong, but still...

[Doohicky]

I'm not sure who I should vote for here.

On the one hand we have Edmund who was very close to lynching from the last day phase and miraculously escaped due to the crazyness of Thy (What's the rest of his name :P). I was originally voting for him and am tempted to put my vote back there.

Then Helmawr is looking suspicious. He seems to want to vote for Bargash and that is that. Your only reason being that he has happened to investigate people who are dead. I would be MORE worried if he kept investigating people who were innocent and alive.
Very easy for the Mafia to pick out a name from someone that is not in their group and they are not targetting and voila, they have a foolproof 'investigation'.

Then the fact that Subzero died straight after an arguement smacks of a set up to me.

But I will stick with my original and...

Vote: Edmundblack

[DeathForce]

Also how many do we need for a lynch I did not see Kilroy give us a number I am guessing 5?

[Baragash]

Then the fact that Subzero died straight after an argument smacks of a set up to me

Possibly. Or it could have been bad luck. If you look at the deaths they were 3 of the most experienced players. If one follows that through it would move yourself, Magnus & Helmawr to the top of the list as an experienced player could be trying to get it down to noobs for the end game.

[DeathForce]

oh is that why no one kills me because this is my first game :smt010

[Doohicky]

Then the fact that Subzero died straight after an argument smacks of a set up to me

Possibly. Or it could have been bad luck. If you look at the deaths they were 3 of the most experienced players. If one follows that through it would move yourself, Magnus & Helmawr to the top of the list as an experienced player could be trying to get it down to noobs for the end game.

I was actually supporting you in this! I thought that it looked like someone noticed the argument and decided to kill Subzero so the blame would fall on your lap!

[edmundblack]

Why is IH so keen to be analysing to the Nth degree? He seemed very quick to point the finger and demand some results.

Then there is this;-


anyways it boiled down to

Vote: Edmund

because he should have been voted off yesterday if Thy didn't screw up and forget who he investigated.

Why? To me, both DF and IH are too keen to get people voted off and early too, staking their claims at the lynching post. Doohicky at least has tried to offer up a more credible reason, (but he still voted for me). However, implication by deflection does not do it for me.

In a nutshell, I have three condidates;-

DF - bitter for some reason, keen to point the finger.
IH - Demanding, and then sticking to a similar line of thought I had last time around, that by association a player died. Convenient? Possibly. Suspicious?
Doohicky - sticking to his guns, but implication but deflection again. Trying to put it elsewhere to avoid suspicion, but doing it in a way as to avoid any direct feedback to himself.

My vote is none at the moment, until more is known.

[DeathForce]

how am I even on that list, thats the dumbest reason ever. Yeah someones got to point the finger or we would be here till next Christmas.

[edmundblack]

And your reason isn't I suppose?

[DeathForce]

of course not

[Baragash]

Then the fact that Subzero died straight after an argument smacks of a set up to me

Possibly. Or it could have been bad luck. If you look at the deaths they were 3 of the most experienced players. If one follows that through it would move yourself, Magnus & Helmawr to the top of the list as an experienced player could be trying to get it down to noobs for the end game.

I was actually supporting you in this! I thought that it looked like someone noticed the argument and decided to kill Subzero so the blame would fall on your lap!

I know (and ta), I was fingering all of you equally :eek: in a general theorising, if you want a private session, start acting suspiciously.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

unvote

i think.

i had to vote, because i said i would. didnt feel i could do otherwise at that point. still, i have been thinking all day, and feel that baragash deserves the unvote. subzero's death does smell a bit like a set up, while also, i think that mafia would have jumped on the thy bandwagon. i realised that the only thing ive got against the guy is that he hasnt povided us with a mafia target yet, as he has done nothing else suspicious.

edmund, on the other hand. he buggered about for ages, almost inviting the lynch...something is definetly up there.

but, im more interested in shotcoder and magnus right now. both are ducking, staying out of everything, and i want to know what they think. now is not the time to be shy!

[shotcoder]

Wow, three kills.......how are there still three killing roles out there?



As the sun was on the verge of banishing night from the world, several repeated gunshots were heard. The people of the cell went to investigate. They found Gnomesbane a young Terrorist filled with bullets. His blood soaking the drab wall he was propped against, making a long red smear. He was dead.

Later that morning they cremated him. Not a tear was shed, for if they did, it might prove a sign of weakness. The person or people who did this to him might turn on them next.

They noticed Mozric wasn't there. They thought nothing of it.

Doohicky passed through a scarcely used about three hours after the make-shift funeral. Looking, at the ground he noticed a small drop of blood on they gray linoleum. He made another step. Another few drops of blood. He looked up from the ground.
He noticed several small drops of the stuff leading towards a janitorial closet. He opened it. Out fell Mozric, who was a Brutal terrorist , with a nicely sized hole in his forehead. On his fists, was someone elses blood. At least he didn't go down without a fight.

I would suggest that the subzero and gnomesbane kills came from the same source, as did the mozric and scythes, while Tarion was new. check out the underlined bits in the quote above, and compare to the death descriptions higher up the page. automatic weapon on sub/gnome, and smaller calibre on moz/scythes. only the stab is new. why or how he was targeted is another matter though.


For night kills, im going with one vigilante, one mafia and...a role blocker that kills the guy he blocks? tarion was following 'person x', and 'person x' stabbed him to block his role? if this is the case, i think that would make 'person x' either neutral, or anti town. the latter is more likely, thinking that kilroy didnt scale down the roleset from 20 to 16 players. i mean so far we have 1(2?) investigators, 2(?) masons, 2 night kills, a brutal terrorist and a bored terrorist, at least 7 of which are pro town roles (one of the night kills is likely to be vigilante, the other not so benign). therefore, i think that four mafia isnt out of the question.

(other possibilities are psycho, psycho doctor, etc.)

Im going to have to suggest that, given the targets, that the mozric/scythes source is the mafia. neither gnome nor tarion were particularly juicy targets for the mafia, as they were just standing at the back, sub has been active, but, with the possible exception of baragash (who would have been stupid to night kill sub after their public disabreement), doesnt seem to have made much progress, while mozric and scythes have both been highly active.

I find shotcoder particularly suspicious at this time, as he seemed to lurk for most of the day, and then magically appear. edmund too, for earlier reasons, and as for baragash...my decision on him is pending until we hear about his investigation.

Baragash, we need your input. was it edmund, me, or someone different? and if you say you investigated scythes, sub or tarion, i am going to be voting for you

I agree with you to an extent on the three killing roles.....but why have there not been other nights with 3 kills? was there a one time night kill role?

Personally I don't think we should count out DF and P3 from being guilty. Yes they claim to be Mason's but what if that's just coincidence and they're really a vigilante group or even mafia? We don't have clear evidence for them yet except an "I'm innocent and so is he".

I know past games don't matter but the last game we just trusted everyone's roleclaims and in the end the Mafia won. I don't want that to happen again, we need to analyze.

[shotcoder]

but, im more interested in shotcoder and magnus right now. both are ducking, staying out of everything, and i want to know what they think. now is not the time to be shy!


Sorry for the double post.

I just noticed the day phase was starting again so sorry for the delay.

[Magnus777z]

Helmawr I really want to vote for you.
Your not sticking to your guns at all, dropping your vote at the sign of resistance.
And EXCUSE ME if I'm not on the forum ever minute of the day, and posting.
I posted first this day go check, sorry but it's really irritating when people say I'm doing something that I'm not.

[DeathForce]

Shotcoder while your theory that that p3 and I might be some vigilante group or mafia group is interesting, where would that leave Baragash? now i guess that could mean he some sort of freelance killer and we are all in league to screw you guys over. However there are things you all do not know there is actually a 4th member of our little cliche who shall remain unnamed. So you can either believe there are still possibly 4 anti town people running around even though 2 mafioso are already dead or you can stop with your silly notion and actually believe we are the good guys.

[shotcoder]

So what you're saying is that you are part of a 4 man Mason group?

[Baragash]

...there is actually a 4th member of our little cliche...

ROFL. Does that mean we're all sitting down in balaclavas and flak jackets (terrorists)/dinner suits (government agents) at our PCs.

[DeathForce]

...there is actually a 4th member of our little cliche...

ROFL. Does that mean we're all sitting down in balaclavas and flak jackets (terrorists)/dinner suits (government agents) at our PCs.

.....yeah why? Is there something wrong with that? :smt004

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

who is number four? we need to know. just saying it like that doesnt make anyone happy, and just makes certain people look more suspicious.

@ magnus. sorry, i missed your post. just being hypersensitive to lurkers, and apparantly for me, hypersensitive = stupid.

[DeathForce]

Helm if the 4th person in our group wants to make themselves known they can do that but I won't give them up without their OK on the matter.

[Doohicky]

Feck it, people would have worked it out anyway, and if they didn't it would side track from the actual important part of the game, which is finding the Mafia.

It is me! I am the 4th person.
Although I think Deathforce and P3 were the only two aware of who I was. Baragash knew there was another one, but not who it was.

[Baragash]

Feck it, people would have worked it out anyway, and if they didn't it would side track from the actual important part of the game, which is finding the Mafia.

It is me! I am the 4th person.
Although I think Deathforce and P3 were the only two aware of who I was. Baragash knew there was another one, but not who it was.

DF will tell you I was pretty sure it was you.

[Doohicky]

Feck it, people would have worked it out anyway, and if they didn't it would side track from the actual important part of the game, which is finding the Mafia.

It is me! I am the 4th person.
Although I think Deathforce and P3 were the only two aware of who I was. Baragash knew there was another one, but not who it was.

DF will tell you I was pretty sure it was you.

Fair enough! :P Din't think I was hiding it very well anyway...

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

so thats three masons then? what are the chances that one of them is a traitor?

im quite happy to believe that we have a mason group, and that p3, deathforce and doohicky are in it, but is it possible that theyre all protown? i certainly like to think so.

fingers crossed anyway

in my book, that leaves baragash, shotcoder, edmund and magnus as targets for a lynch...

[shotcoder]

Well that explains a lot.....so we have a four man Mason group with Baragash, Doohicky, DF and P3. But that still doesn't answer how there were three night kills. 1 Mafia and 1 vigilante....where does the other come from?

Now onto who I believe should be lynched....I think Edmund is the suicide bomber because of how he acted last day phase. But IH is easy to cast blame aside.

Myself I can see why you would see me as suspicious, I lurked last day phase suddenly popped up. For that I apologize. If I die for lurking then let it be a lesson to everyone not to lurk.

But Magnus, I don't see how he is suspicious at all. He was the first to want a Mod kill of Andon and Andon was a Mafia member. Unless it's a twist......but that would be a low blow even for mafia.

[Doohicky]

It's not a 4 mason group. It's a 2 mason Group. Myself and Baragash have been added to the group due to a number of reasons that allow us all to trust each other.

To be honest the reasons behind our get together are ones that are good for the town and I for one do not want to give out that information willy nilly. More may be added to this group in time though.

[shotcoder]

Ok ok I understand.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

doohicky, are you certain about baragash?

in other news, vote edmund

ive been tiptoeing around voting for him for a while, just havnt been able to shake off a nagging doubt - maybe its his posting style, and maybe its the way that he arsed about. just dont like it.


kilroy, can we get clarification on the number of votes cast, and number needed for a lynch?

[Baragash]

doohicky, are you certain about baragash?

in other news, vote edmund

ive been tiptoeing around voting for him for a while, just havnt been able to shake off a nagging doubt - maybe its his posting style, and maybe its the way that he arsed about. just dont like it.


kilroy, can we get clarification on the number of votes cast, and number needed for a lynch?

Majority, which is 5.

Doohicky and myself have not communicated directly with each other. We have established a workable level of trust by association with the Mason group. For the record, I had reached certain conclusions about Doohicky prior to gaining this knowledge, and so far he has lived up to these without any prompting. The only reason in my conversation with Sub I didn't say I trusted Doohicky as well was so as not to give away that I knew about someone else, and I've known about him longer than that.

[Kilroy]

Vote count

Ed (3): DF, Doohicky, Helmawr

Majority: 5

Also, if P3 doesn't start posting soon I'll have to pop him.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

check out the drunkenness thread - i think hes outta town, drinking in germany. that said, he should be posting here too...

particualryl as an accfedited member of the mafia!

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

that should read masonry. blame the wine.

sorry for the slander p3

[shotcoder]

I have suspicion that Ed is the vigilante but I'm also scared he has the suicide bomber role so I will

vote: Edmund

so I won't get blown up with the last vote.

[DeathForce]

hmmm edmund we demand you vote for yourself.

[Baragash]

Also, if P3 doesn't start posting soon I'll have to pop him.

P3 hasn't forgotten, hopefully he replied to you

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

i think someone might hve to bite the bullet

[p3990013]

Vote: Edmund

Traitor! You will face our wrath!

[edmundblack]

Vote - Deathforce.

You do not command me.

[DeathForce]

Well unfortunately ed, you are going to die P3 makes 5 :P

[edmundblack]

Meh. You still do not command me.

But does that mean p3 goes with me? Who knows. Those that do aren't telling, and I sure as hell won't! ;)

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

i think well probably find out when kilroy coems online

[DeathForce]

yeah, we shall see

[Kilroy]

Sorry, Ed. You are dead

"Traitor! You will face our wrath!" P3 screamed at the top of his voice. Baragash and Deathforce stood up from their seats in the dull concrete room, and grabbed him. He was pulled into the next door room, which was also dull and concrete although much smaller. "I'm innocent!" cried Edmund pleadingly from the next room "Please, don't kill me! I'm with you guys! I want to see Federov die! I..." A muffled gunshot was heard, and Edmunds pleading ceased.

Edmundblack was a Terrorist

It is now the night phase. You have 48 hours

[DeathForce]

Well balls why do our shadiest people keep ending up on our side :/

[p3990013]

ok, something went wrong in the plot. sorry ed! you'll be remembered among the fallen! :smt006

[DeathForce]

This last mafia is a sneaky mofo

[Kilroy]

P3 opened his eyes and got out of bed. He was wearing a dirty undershirt and an old pair of boxers. He scratched his unshaven face. "I wonder who died tonight" he says to himself absently. He opens the door and finds out.

There are three corpses in front of his door. The first one, made his heart skip a beat. It was his long time friend Deathforce. He had been stabbed multiple times and he had bled to death. In his final moments of life he had attempted to reach for P3's door but had failed. He had been a Bodyguard .

The next corpse he had seen was face down. P3 went by it, and kicked it over. It was Doohicky. He had been shot in the chest several times. Also he was holding a bloodied knife. The four surviving denizens of the bunker would discover later that he was a Russian .

The last corpse was laying on the ground, his limbs spread out. It was Shotcoder. His midsection had been torn asunder by automatic fire. He was holding a handgun. Inside his pockets was a letter from their good pal Federov and a small book titled "Forensic manipulation and you. He was thus a Forensic expert .

[shotcoder]

was a good game guys *disipates like a ghost*

[Baragash]

Hmmm. Well at this stage I am happier with P3 & Helmawr's positions, than Magnus', so:

Vote: Magnus

[Doohicky]

Was so close...

But not close enough... Go team town! (Have no real preference from role, but I believe the Kremlin would want the rebellion to succeed!)

No Vodka for me.... :-|

[DeathForce]

Darn I had a feeling someone was going to ice me, good luck guys

[Mozric]

oooh, i'm curious to see how this pans out. I didn't want to say it to anybody who was playing, but I so thought shotcoder was suspicious (I even PMed him with my theory, which was just off). (he was playing pretty well though)

Gogo team town. AVENGE ME!

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

what was the result of your night time researches??

[Kilroy]

Vote count of Doooom!

Magnus (1): Bargash

Needed for lynch: 3

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

well im currently wanting to hear from magnus and p3.

but, i must admit that magnus is looking more dubious than anyone else at this point. although, admittedly, i am basing part of this on deathforce's opinions

[Doohicky]

Okay, there are a grand total of 4 people left.. any chance of getting something going here? I am especially looking at the people who have not bothered to post anything in this day phase.

If you are no longer bothered with the game, then just post a vote of some sort and get it over with so a new one can start.

Just do something!

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

trouble is theres still some stuff going on in PMs, but im getting a bit tired of waiting for p3 to respond to be honest.

tis most vexing.

vote magnus

lets get this over with

[Mozric]

Guys, can you please at least pretend to try to win?

(I'm not making any comment on the quality of the votes here, just saying that you guys should actually put in an effort.)

[shotcoder]

I agree I'm looking forward to the next one already

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

uuh...moz, again, i am trying to win.

the thing is, a lot of this mafia is being done in PM, and things arent discussed in the open for fear of getting it wrong.

basically, i place most guilt on magnus because hes outside the mason group, so want him out the way, but at the same time, think that someone might be an insider (im looking at YOU baragash and p3). dunno which tho.

the hope goes that if magnus is innocent, which i dont think he is, the vigilante will be able to kill off the last of the mafia in the night phase.

still, a post from anyone else would be nice.

[DeathForce]

Yeah I think I filled up my inbox twice with just PMs from this game, so don't worry things are happening :P

[Mozric]

Oh okay, I was just misled by the relative inactivity of the topic itself :P

Sorry, I'll shutup now.

[Baragash]

Yep, epic inbox sanitation will be required post-game. *shakes fist at Deathforce*

[Magnus777z]

I don't think P3 is gonna show and end this thing. It's nearly basically impossible to get a majority vote.

Baragash: You still haven't said who you invesigated. And your reason for voting for me is???


Anyway I dont think P3 will ever show, so the only way to end the game is to vote for myself.

Vote: Magnus

[Baragash]

Baragash: You still haven't said who you invesigated. And your reason for voting for me is???

I have answered Helmawr's question via PM.

As we're so close to the end, I'll put it up for everyone to read:

Doohicky was the investigator. I have been fronting for him, to avoid putting him at risk. This is why I made the mistake that Sub highlighted ("procell" was the correct term). I initiated this based on what I picked out of posts in this thread.

Deathforce has been shown to be innocent, it's obviously not 100% that he was specifically P3's bodyguard, but it tallies with what he's said in PMs, so on the balance of probabilities that'll do me as a vouch for P3.

It is not my place to reveal why I believe Helmawr is innocent, but at this present time, I'd view him as even more likely to be innocent than P3 (or he's played an epic gambit, and deserves to win off that).

IMMEDIATE EDIT: so, in conclusion, that leaves Magnus.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

incidentally, baragash, whais your role exaclty?

[DeathForce]

WELL FINE

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

um i dont think yur allowed to do that deathforce.

if your dead your not supposed to comment.

[Baragash]

um i dont think yur allowed to do that deathforce.

if your dead your not supposed to comment.

AFAICS he's either spamming or more likely :smt098 at me from the bottom of the last page!

[/offtopic]


Incidentally, Baragash, what is your role exactly?

I'm a terrorist. My power is listed under "bulletproof" (not my role name) on the Mafia info: immune to night-kill. This is why I was fronting Doohicky's investigations, if I was targeted for death, it would be a waste of a kill, as well as protecting Doohicky.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

sorry deathforce.

seem to be annoying a lot of people at the moment

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

bump.

kilroy, can we have a vote count/lynching please?

[Kilroy]

Magnus is due to the gallows pole. I'll do the write up after my drama performance tonight.

[Magnus777z]

Ok are we gonna end the game EVER or not.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

well unless youre a member of the mafia i think well have at least one more night phase. still, that will decide it, one way or the other.

[Baragash]

>.>
<.<
Shhhhhh! I'm hunting Kilroys..... :smt070

[Kilroy]

Bargash and Helmawr marched down the concrete halls, each armed with their assault rifles. P3 had not joined them as he became catatonic upon seeing his old friend Deathforce, along with Shotcoder and Doohicky, dead on the ground. They went to kill Magnus. They noticed a man propped against the wall. They stopped. Baragash fired his rifle, killing Kilroy instantly. Kilroy was a rather annoying Janitor who liked to put off the end of stories and avoid work and that really pissed Baragash off. Helmawr merely shrugged and they went on. They passed rooms whose occupants had been extinguished earlier during the week. The doors were covered in a peeling grey paint and occasionally some drops of life-blood. They came on Magnus's room. They looked at each other, knowing what was going to happen had to happen. Helmawr kicked down the door. Cigarette smoke had filled the un-ventilated room, they coughed upon entering. They found a note written on a pamphlet of some far-away vacationing spot, on the single bed's lumpy mattress: Dear friends, I was not completly honest about my intentions when I joined this terrorist cell. I have befriended you and only now do I realise that what you are doing is for the greater good of our country. Thus I have ended my life so that you may continue your mission. Goodbye comerades. "Apparently he had been a Double-agent " said Baragash solemnly. Neither of them would say another word to the other for the rest of the day. Nobody would find Magnus's body for a long time as his body was rotting under a nearby canal.

Because of the lack of manpower, the attempt to murder Federov would be postponed and put under the commision of a different cell. But that's a story for another day.

Terrorists win!

[Baragash]

:butthead: to you too!

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

helmawr got a little bit overenthusiastic, and shouldnt post at the same time as kilroy

[Kilroy]

I did.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

realises he posted at the same time as kilroy. is ashamed of failure.


well, i think thats a win for the good guys. we got there in the end :D

helmawr's kill count was as follows:

gnomesbane
subzero
shotcoder

third time lucky, right guys :D

i was so glad that it was magnus that was guilty - if hed been innocent, it would have been up to me to night kill either p3 or baragash, knowing that if i got it wrong, wed lose the game. :| did not like that prospect at all.

still, go team terrorist!

[Kilroy]

Roles

Pro-cell/Pro-town
Had to kill all Government agents
Baragash- Mechanic terrorist/Unkillable
Helmawr- Zealous Terrorist/Vigilante, killed with AK-47
P3- Cell leader/Double vote, mason with Deathforce
Deathforce- Bodyguard/Doctor for P3, mason with P3
Mozric- Brutal Terrorist/Roleblocker
Thyhadras- Inquisitive Terrorist/Investigator
Tarion- Bored Terrorist/Tracker
Gnomesbane, Subzero, Scythes and Edblack- Terrorists/Innocents

Government agents/Mafia
Had to kill all pro-cell players.
Zawicki- Government assasin/Assasin
Andon- Manipulative agent/Manipulator
Shotcoder- Forensic expert/Framer who could only frame people if there was a kill, frame lasted for 2 days.
Magnus- Double agent/Godfather

Other
Doohicky had to kill both the Cell-leader(P3) and the Double agent(Magnus) (Or at least they had to be dead) and survive to win. Kilroy had to finish the game to win
Doohicky- Russian/ Investigator-Killer
Kilroy- Janitor/ Moderator

[Baragash]

it would have been up to me to night kill either p3 or baragash, knowing that if i got it wrong, we'd lose the game.

Especially as it was true, you couldn't kill me anyway :P

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

i had the cunning plan to post that i was planning to kill you in this thread, then guage my night kill based on your response.

cunning like a fox!

[shotcoder]

This game was a little different than the other ones I've played...

since I was Mafia this time and Protown could pm eachother, but it was fun none the less.

It was my and Magnus' Idea to throw you guys off with the night kills. no one that was directly connected to us but someone who might affect us in the long run.

[Mozric]

Good work team terror!

Amazing that we managed to catch Zawicki on the first day. I'm also surprised at how many pro-town power roles we had. But I guess it all depends on how people use them.

I was worried for a bit that the game wasn't going to end, but it was good to hear that there'd been a lot of plotting via PM.

Well done Kilroy! The game ended up being very close, which is good.

[shotcoder]

:D Sorry you were the first to go Moz!

[Kilroy]

I think the fact that Andon wasn't playing helped a lot. But it was a lot of fun moderating. I used Pox'es games as major inspiration (Nearly everyone had a special role). Good job Terrorist team!

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

i think the town got lucky with zawicki and andon. very lucky. still, kudos to shot and magnus - they nearly had it in the bag.

in retrospect, i should have gone with my first hunch on night 2 - when i killed sub, it was a toss up between him and shotcoder. still, i think i made the right decision. id gone for backing baragash, and felt that sub had attacked him.

this game was very satisfying for me, i got to plan my night acitons, and it was the first game where i felt i knew enough about the working of mafia to get things right. though that said, i still learned a hell of a lot. like the value of PMing between protown.

[Doohicky]

I honestly don't think it was ever likely for me to get a win in this game.
My investigation power couldn't even uncover the people I needed to kill (Magnus came up as Pro-Cell), and I had to survive on top of all that.

I got lucky in that I was able to find out who was the Cell leader was, and I was literally one turn away from killing him if I hadn't dies.
But finding the Godfather figure when he always showed up as Pro-Cell, would have meant killing random peoplein the hopes of stumbling across him and during that I could easily have won the game for the government.


But I did enjoy the game and the subterfuge. Think the Cell did well in getting a big group of people together early on!

[scythes]

Congratz terrorists, even though I died I still get the win, two in a row! WOO!

Nice game Kilroy, close too. :mrgreen:

[Subzero]

Nice game, reasonably close in the end (although it was fairly unbalanced on the last day due to all the PM-communication between the surviving pro-town players), although I'd agree with Doohicky that he had a particularly hard time trying to find one person who was investigation-immune and another who was automatically protected from nightkills until a third player died.

Baragash could have done a bit more to look innocent, at least in my opinion, because the very shaky fake Cop claim looked way too suspicious.

Anyway, I'll start my game soon.

[Inquisitor_Helmawr]

so was doohicky the third night kill then?

[Doohicky]

so was doohicky the third night kill then?

Yup... The reason there were only two the first kill night is because I targeted Baragash and he was immune.
It was one of the reasons I trusted him, but then, when Magnus came up as innocent I got suspicious of him (I was dead so it didn't matter though :P)

[Baragash]

Baragash could have done a bit more to look innocent, at least in my opinion, because the very shaky fake Cop claim looked way too suspicious.

I'm open to advice. That was my first game.


Yup... The reason there were only two the first kill night is because I targeted Baragash and he was immune.

Thanks for that, the 2-3-3 pattern had been bugging me.

[Zawicki]

Well, for my first (real) game, i think i did terrible. Oh well. It was fun for the first day phase i played.