Are you a winner or Looser?

[Lasher]

Iv been playing 40k for quit a while now but only with a small number of people, iv played well over 500 games and have used each army at least once and have found that i absolutly OWN THE CRAP OUT OF EVERY1, not to sound stuck-up but i do. This is probably because i only hav a few freinds that actually play with me. About 400 of those games i hav played with them and i hav not lost a single one against them! This may be because they suk loads or i rule, but i believe it is a mixture because recently i downloaded vassal (see the vassal thread) and have played quite a few games on there, the ones that i have time to finish i usually win, i havnt won every single one but i wouldnt say that im doin to bad with a win/loss ration of about 5-2 and at games workshop i hav won most of my games aswell.

I may b the best amongst my friends but i am yet to play in any competitons (mainly due to my armies not being painted) so i may be the most shithouse player that walked the earth but i just dont know yet. But the main reason i wanted to make this post was to see how others are going, do u absolutly rule amongst ur friends, at gamesworkshop, or even in competions. Or do u get the crap beaten out of u every-single-freakin-time? Even wen u r vsn that player who claims he has never ever played or won b4?

[Phail]

i can't remember the last time i lost...

[MGRockwell]

loose , loos·er, loos·est, adverb, verb loosed, loos·ing.
–adjective
1. free or released from fastening or attachment: a loose end.
2. free from anything that binds or restrains; unfettered: loose cats prowling around in alleyways at night.
3. uncombined, as a chemical element.
4. not bound together: to wear one's hair loose.
5. not put up in a package or other container: loose mushrooms.
6. available for disposal; unused; unappropriated: loose funds.
7. lacking in reticence or power of restraint: a loose tongue.
8. lax, as the bowels.
9. lacking moral restraint or integrity; notorious for his loose character.
10. sexually promiscuous or immoral; unchaste.
11. not firm, taut, or rigid: a loose tooth; a loose rein.
12. relaxed or limber in nature: He runs with a loose, open stride.
13. not fitting closely or tightly: a loose sweater.
14. not close or compact in structure or arrangement; having spaces between the parts; open: a loose weave.
15. having few restraining factors between associated constituents and allowing ample freedom for independent action: a loose federation of city-states.
16. not cohering: loose sand.
17. not strict, exact, or precise: a loose interpretation of the law.
18. Sports.
a. having the players on a team positioned at fairly wide intervals, as in a football formation.
b. (of a ball, hockey puck, etc.) not in the possession of either team; out of player control.
–adverb
19. in a loose manner; loosely (usually used in combination): loose-flowing.
–verb (used with object)
20. to let loose; free from bonds or restraint.
21. to release, as from constraint, obligation, or penalty.
22. Chiefly Nautical. to set free from fastening or attachment: to loose a boat from its moorings.
23. to unfasten, undo, or untie, as a bond, fetter, or knot.
24. to shoot; discharge; let fly: to loose missiles at the invaders.
25. to make less tight; slacken or relax.
26. to render less firmly fixed; lessen an attachment; loosen.
–verb (used without object)
27. to let go a hold.
28. to hoist anchor; get under way.
29. to shoot or let fly an arrow, bullet, etc. (often fol. by off): to loose off at a flock of ducks.
30. Obsolete. to become loose; loosen.
—Idioms
31. break loose, to free oneself; escape: The convicts broke loose.
32. cast loose,
a. to loosen or unfasten, as a ship from a mooring.
b. to send forth; set adrift or free: He was cast loose at an early age to make his own way in the world.
33. cut loose,
a. to release from domination or control.
b. to become free, independent, etc.
c. to revel without restraint: After the rodeo they headed into town to cut loose.
34. hang or stay loose, Slang. to remain relaxed and unperturbed.
35. let loose,
a. to free or become free.
b. to yield; give way: The guardrail let loose and we very nearly plunged over the edge.
36. on the loose,
a. free; unconfined, as, esp., an escaped convict or circus animal.
b. behaving in an unrestrained or dissolute way: a bachelor on the loose.
37. turn loose, to release or free, as from confinement: The teacher turned the children loose after the class.

los·er
–noun
1. a person, team, nation, etc., that loses: The visiting team was the loser in the series.
2. Informal.
a. a person who has been convicted of a misdemeanor or, esp., a felony: a two-time loser.
b. a person who has failed at a particular activity: a loser at marriage.
c. someone or something that is marked by consistently or thoroughly bad quality, performance, etc.: Don't bother to see that film, it's a real loser.
3. Slang. a misfit, esp. someone who has never or seldom been successful at a job, personal relationship, etc.

[Lasher]

WTF r u?!? Like a walkin dictionary or somthin? Dude that is completly strange, hopefully 4 ur sake u didnt do that off the top of ur head lol

[MGRockwell]

Just wondering. In relation to what are you asking me if I am looser than?

Yo dude, 4 wut am i posed to b Looser than?

[Flyinfart]

Lasher, please use real english on these boards. Chat speak is frowned upon, as many of us can not understand it, or simply do not wish to read lazy spelling.
I win a good majority of my games now, after a long losing streak.

[edmundblack]

Win some, lose some. Ultimately, not a big deal.

Such is things when using Grey Knights. :D

[DCB]

Never won before :smt009
Mind you I've only played a few games and all have been against LoT.
And I haven't even got a set of the rules yet (AOBR saturday will get mini-rulebook in that)
Started just before 5th ed came out, so what little I had learnt from LoT changed in areas.
And when I have fully built my Eldar army I will destroy LoT's chaos :twisted:

[Doohicky]

Honestly I don't take any notice of what people say on internet boards.
If I believed everyone then everyone would have 70% win records, which just isn't possible.

:P

[Flyinfart]

I find that I don't really care who wins or loses as long as the game was good. If somebody is blatantly cheating, I'll either just quit then and there or I'll argue it tooth and nail until either they see it my way, or they quit.

LOL Doohicky, thats so true. But that also doesn't account for those who aren't on internet boards... Oh well. I think in the past 2 weeks, out of the 20 or so games I've played, I've lost at least half of them, tied... 3 of them I think? And won 7 I guess. Those 7 victories being either extremely recent or against newbies. I blame it on the fact I haven't played in almost a year before this anomaly in my life.

[MGRockwell]

If you're winning >70% consistently you're playing the wrong people. It is definitely a game where strategy is more important than army composition so if you're winning that much you should find more competitive/intelligent opponents.

I don't care if I win or lose I just like to see the models on the board.

[Ron]

I have been losing most of my games recently, but then again I have been trying to hammer out my daemon army so that might explain it.

[DCB]

Why am I the only one who hasn't won a game yet?

*snivels in 40k forum corner* :smt010

[edmundblack]

Because it takes practice more often then not, as well as learning what works, what doesn't, each units' limit(s) and being able to spot what your opponent is doing and countering it.

[Phail]

Never won before :smt009
Mind you I've only played a few games and all have been against LoT.
And I haven't even got a set of the rules yet (AOBR saturday will get mini-rulebook in that)
Started just before 5th ed came out, so what little I had learnt from LoT changed in areas.
And when I have fully built my Eldar army I will destroy LoT's chaos :twisted:

what do you mean "what little you learnt from me".....

:cry: ungrateful :cry:

[obliter8or]

I do WIN more than lose, but I enjoy a tight fought draw much more than a 'victorious massacre'.
I usually go to the quilifying heats for grand tourneys to meet more challenging opponents.

[DCB]

Never won before :smt009
Mind you I've only played a few games and all have been against LoT.
And I haven't even got a set of the rules yet (AOBR saturday will get mini-rulebook in that)
Started just before 5th ed came out, so what little I had learnt from LoT changed in areas.
And when I have fully built my Eldar army I will destroy LoT's chaos :twisted:

what do you mean "what little you learnt from me".....

:cry: ungrateful :cry:

well I hadn't learnt/remembered everything about the rules had I? :)

But yes probably once I have learnt a little more about the game, about armies other than my own, unit limits, and the other stuff EB said, I will hopefully start being a little more successful.

[Phail]

oh well, it's just that i gave you a lot of tactical advice that's all, and the rulebook :|

[Angelofblades]

I'd love to loose, often in fact. It just doesn't happen, often in fact.

[spruecutter]

it's usually 50/50 for me unless i play fantasy which i have a 99% loss rate.

[Gnomesbane]

Used to be a 100% loss rate, then I finally worked out a pretty nice Ork list and it seems to do the trick against most people. Frankly though just playing against a fun person and seeing all the models on the table is good enough for me.

[Wardenhammer]

Can't recall, but I know my army looks better than most. Frankly I don't consider winning all the games any serious accomplishment. All that counts is that I had fun.

[SonsOfStalingrad]

My marines have won 1 game in their entire history. I usually go up against tournament level players with an army that is DESIGNED to be fluffy.

[jedihobbit]

Frankly I don't consider winning all the games any serious accomplishment. All that counts is that I had fun.

this.

i was on quite a loosing streak before i go my Orks, but i've won a few, lost a few. Done a lot of ties due to new 5th ed rules. But i've had fun in all my games so far. And i'm still coming to grips with how i want to run orks, and how to beat the different armies.

So far i've played Tyranids, Sisters of Battle(always a fun game), Space Marines, and Slaanesh CSM.

[Pox]

bit of a dumb question if you ask me - i win some, i lose some no idea what proportion - did i have fun, usually.

last match, lost (not badly) but was a cracking laught of a game! one of the most fun for a long time.

[Gnomesbane]

Yeah 5th definitely took my army down a few pegs, as it was built on the strategy of having two battlewagons bristling with guns rolling foreward with all the Orks inside also laying down a hail of bullets. Now that I can only fire one of the guns it leaves my opponent much more intact, but its still fun

[Deadric Spartan]

Lose pretty much all my games. Though in my last game my Chaos out did themselves.
:D <---Beaming with pride

[LanceWarrior]

i can't remember the last time i lost...

I can't remember the last time I beat horde army, I only seem to win against Eldars power armoured foes. This information has made my mates collect Orks and Tyranids. Which has made me collect Tau and scavenge bits from my Ork friend to create a shooty-Ork army (it could work :roll: )

[smacky]

I usually win, although my friends don't play with consistant lists, or similar armies every game. This I think takes a part out of the strategy, like expecting and finding a way to overcome it. That also brings in a new surprise element, which is interesting too.

If I lose I usually keep it pretty close, and if its not close its a blowout. I may be a decent player but I know when my Leman Russ blows up on the first turn and kills half my command squad forcing a retreat off the table that sometimes no matter what you do the dice can always get you back.


If you have trrouble with winning games, perhaps you should try different strategies. I know this is weird, but there are some sections of the book "Art of war" by sun Tzu that are helpful in many aspects of life, yes EVEN WARHAMMER!!! By changing strategy its a matter of being less reactionary, or taking the intiative. If your losing games all the time its probably because your playing an adaptable and fluid opponent while you are being dogmatic and are playing with easily readable tactics.



Anways *winner* :D

[edmundblack]

Can't recall, but I know my army looks better than most. Frankly I don't consider winning all the games any serious accomplishment. All that counts is that I had fun.

Many people could learn from this. Wardenhammer is wise, he knows.

[LanceWarrior]

Can't recall, but I know my army looks better than most. Frankly I don't consider winning all the games any serious accomplishment. All that counts is that I had fun.

Many people could learn from this. Wardenhammer is wise, he knows.

Hmm, or is he just telling us that. Most people say they play it for fun, but in the heat of battle they lose their rag and get angry. It's a very nice way to play, but no-ones perfect.

[Gnomesbane]

I can't remember the last time I beat horde army, I only seem to win against Eldars power armoured foes. This information has made my mates collect Orks and Tyranids. Which has made me collect Tau and scavenge bits from my Ork friend to create a shooty-Ork army (it could work :roll: )

Actually, despite how bad of an idea it sounds, shooty Ork armies are VERY good. Shoota boys can pour out a good deal of shots if they are in a large mob, that by the time they reach CC, the loss of that one attack isn't a big deal. The basic premise of a shooty ork list is to fill the sky with enough bullets that some WILL hit.

[jedihobbit]

I can't remember the last time I beat horde army, I only seem to win against Eldars power armoured foes. This information has made my mates collect Orks and Tyranids. Which has made me collect Tau and scavenge bits from my Ork friend to create a shooty-Ork army (it could work :roll: )

Actually, despite how bad of an idea it sounds, shooty Ork armies are VERY good. Shoota boys can pour out a good deal of shots if they are in a large mob, that by the time they reach CC, the loss of that one attack isn't a big deal. The basic premise of a shooty ork list is to fill the sky with enough bullets that some WILL hit.

30 shoota boyz pour out 60 shots, then assault with 90 attacks....win :-|

[Lasher]

Yeah, i agree with what a lot of u r saying, Its much more fun and enjoyable to watch a tight draw and hav loads and loads of fun... but i just cant resist watching the look on the faces of my inner circle of friends wen they tell each each other about how iv beeten them EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I used to always play as eldar (who absolutly owned the crap out of them) but then a few of them started to consider dropping the game, so i changed to space marines so that the matches are a lot more close. Now they want to keep playin

[Cho-Konnit]

Just wondering. In relation to what are you asking me if I am looser than?

Yo dude, 4 wut am i posed to b Looser than?

Hey, man... Don't go bringing this down with your jive! So, he can't spell, but that's the language of the street, man!
Like, school is for squares, yeah?

All us cats here are all hip to the jive, daddy-oh!

[Gnomesbane]

Hey, man... Don't go bringing this down with your jive! So, he can't spell, but that's the language of the street, man!
Like, school is for squares, yeah?

All us cats here are all hip to the jive, daddy-oh!

LMAO! Sigg'd.

[Leonix]

I tend to lose just a few more than I win.

[Irakax]

When I started playing 40k I went about 50-50, then lost a whole lot, now I'm back at 50-50, maybe winning a bit more now that 5th is out. I really don't care that much if I lose though because I lost so much in that middle period that I'm used to it, and it's just fun to mess around with friends. Note: I have never played in a tournament, all my games are friendly.

[The_Peacemaker]

I usually win most of my games.

I Find it hard to get worthy opponents.
There was a point where I just owned the tabletop with any army I played. But then it wasn't challenging. I have the most fun when I have to think and react. I love playing against someone else who knows what their up too, but thats rare to find. Its kinda like when I play chess.


So I started playing around with different lists and doing crazy non-tactical things just for fun.


heh, back when I first started playing 40k it was my Tau vs my brothers Necrons. It was almost always a 50/50 win/lose ratio but every single game was a slaughter so it was a Pyric Victory.

[obliter8or]

I usually win most of my games.

I Find it hard to get worthy opponents.
There was a point where I just owned the tabletop with any army I played. But then it wasn't challenging. I have the most fun when I have to think and react. I love playing against someone else who knows what their up too, but thats rare to find. Its kinda like when I play chess.


So I started playing around with different lists and doing crazy non-tactical things just for fun.

ditto, though I recommend going to quialifying heats, you've got a lot of good players there.

[Wardenhammer]

I have never claimed perfection. But I cannot see bragging about consistant wins in a tabletop miniature game anything really laudable. And with all honesty, no I don't get upset with a loss. Just a game. Hobby. Past time.
And I can almost guarantee my army will always look better than yours. I bring that point up as most folks will say "Did you see that (x) model? It looked awesome!" before they will sit in awe of anyones win/loss record.
The point being if I had a laugh and a good time playing I win. If I'm facing some barnacle who is focused solely on winning and doesn't say much beyond some rule or stat, I lose.

[honersstodnt]

I seem to win more than I lose with my grey knights...

my games are usually quick though. I only have 40 models in my 2500 point list though, so maybe that has a hand in why my games are so fast... :)

[Democratus]

The real "looser" is someone who is obsessed with their win/loss record in a game of toy soldiers.

[honersstodnt]

THEY ARE NOT TOYS! they are hand crafted miniature models.

[jedihobbit]

THEY ARE NOT TOYS! they are hand crafted miniature models.

Isn't the acronym for that T.O.Y.S?

[Wardenhammer]

THEY ARE NOT TOYS! they are hand crafted miniature models.


Yes, they are toys. Models kits are toys, action figures are toys. RC planes are toys. No one denies that there is a level of voluntary work done on painting miniatures, but in every sense of the word. They are toys.
I will have to agree with Democratus on this one. Anyone that obsessed with their win/loss record about a game of toy soldiers needs to give their head a shake.
I freely admit I play with toys. No shame in that.

[Proturbo]

At the beginning of my Warhammer experience I had the beginners luck and won a bunch of games (probably because I was playing against people who weren't that great). I'm about 30% - 70% win-lose now because I branch out more. I would really rather just have a fun army than a power army and I pay for it with a poor record.

[bigfishboy]

I win most of my games but I lose a fair few aswell

[bailey0156]

Only had a few games.
Winning is not my thing, i've won a few lost a fun enjoyed all.
There is more to life than winning. (The looser always says that unless the winner is trying to comfort the looser or mom trying to comfort the looser and make the winner feel bad.)

[Asdrubael Vect]

About 50/50 for me, but I don't really give a crap.

[LukeValantine]

about 55% win rate for me. The odd thing about my games is that I either crush the enemy to dust or they crush my force with no difficulty, and I play a mostly balanced list 3 troops, 2-3 heavies, 1-2 HQ, 1 elite ext. Oh well I guess that is the nature of chaos.

[Mr Pea Elf]

I win most of them but I'd rather just have a laugh and a bit of fun than scratch up a serious tally. Having said that some of my best games have been losses. My Eldar or Grey Knights are probably my most successful army.
I don't take the game too seriously anyway. Now whenever I play people ask questions like;
"This weapon is less than a centimetre out of range would it be okay if I still shot it?"
My answers pretty much "Yeah sure"" to these sorts and everyone has just what they came for, a laugh and a bit of fun.
It's pointless getting frustrated over the game. More here-to-win gamers are showing up at the clubs now but they don't really last, which is something I guess.

[Thundermane]

At the time its 50/50 with me, as officially I am a newby, but I'm a sponge, I absorb tactics from my foes, I analyze and theorize, test and adjust.
Usually with any game I start off as a noob and in the end I'll be a tactical genius.
For example with the game Company of Heroes, I now got about 90 wins versus 20 losses.
I'm also great at micro-management.
And thats one thing I don't like much about warhammer 40k, and thats your dice dependency.
It is very possible to just lose because of throwing bad, not being able to hit, or make saves.
Anyway, I do believe it is just a matter of time before I will become a supreme champion. :twisted:

I'm a chaos player, and right now I have hardly lost against grey knights, never lost against tau, and always lost against imperials.