terminators armor

[Tonycakes]

so the terminators armor is basically tuff as shit. i heard someone tell me in a book a titan stepped on a terminator and the ground below him gave out instead of his armor. this is my question. if a titan steps on one, will he suffocate? of do terminators breath dirt?

[Ron]

I have not heard that story(very funny though).

I think that Termies have their own air supplies though because their armor is designed to make boarding raid on other ships(which could have all kinds of crap in the air, if there was any air, like if a hull breach happened or something).

[Phoenix Blaze]

That is a very old story, but honestly, I have no idea where it comes from. I just have this feeling that it's a story many people know, but it's source is lost to time.

I think it's to reflect their Invulnerable save and that there's this chance that a Terminator can survive nearly anything, which in turn is due to them having a fragment of the Emperor's armour incorporated into the suit.

[Airwolf]

The story I seem to remember appeared in white dwarf a couple of times whenever something important with terminator armour come up, such as being space hulk, the first terminator box set (non space hulk) being released, the redesign of the terminators etc. It involves a Space Wolf unit of bloodclaws, I believe since the unit sergeant had jump packs, being joined by a Wolf Guard Leader in Terminator, telling them to move out. A titan appears, the unit scatters, the leader however being slow gets squashed by the building. The bloodclaw sergeant shoots his boltgun at the shields of the titan thinking it will "never know what a great warrior it had just killed", and watches as the rubble falls away as the wolf guard emerges, the armour cracked, blood gushing, but alive. Who says "sergeant, I told you to move out".

Thus, tactical dreadnought armour is meant to be tough, filled with tough psychopaths.

Wolfy

[Tonycakes]

its in the titans book i think, someone from games workshop battle bunker was telling me the story that a possessed or something titan stepped on a terminator who had a storm hammer/shield and after that the terminator got out of the dirt, went and brought down the titan on its own. using the hammer on its legs and such. but after that a titan just demolished the remains of the bad titan and the terminator all together lolol lulz, thats what was in the book and how the employee told me the story.

[Phoenix Blaze]

Never trust what an employee tells you about fluff. The last manager at my local GW was 100% sure that 1000 Sons weren't at the Siege of Terra, nor the Emperor's Children. Idiot.

[Tonycakes]

this guy is a total nerd, its the battle bunker in west minister California so i dunno he seemed so into it maybe he dreamed of it but it was a good story when he told it lolololer lulz

[Brother-Captain Sharp]

its in the titans book i think, someone from games workshop battle bunker was telling me the story that a possessed or something titan stepped on a terminator who had a storm hammer/shield and after that the terminator got out of the dirt, went and brought down the titan on its own. using the hammer on its legs and such. but after that a titan just demolished the remains of the bad titan and the terminator all together lolol lulz, thats what was in the book and how the employee told me the story.
No, no, no, no. Your local expert is greatly exaggerating the tale/ Even when attacking weak points of a Titan's legs, it still takes a large number of terminators with stormshields and thunderhammers to bring one down. The story is from the Index Astartes article on Terminator armor. However, just because the terminaot lived doesn't mean that his armor was able to take the full weight of the Titan. The ground around just gave easier than his armor did, and he was pushed into the ground. It's not as if he was between a hammer and anvil, more a hammer and sawdust. While the hammer may strike with great energy, the sawdust will give under the object, thus lessening the damage.

[KamiKaZantA]

It's in the Space Wolfs codex

[Phoenix Blaze]

Is there not a story where Russ takes out a titan (most likely a Warhound) by himself? By chopping away at a leg joint or something? I can him doing this, being a Primarch and all.

Even with the idea that the Termy is pushed into the ground, I highly doubt that ground was soft and squigy (or a Titan would *not* be walking on it), so it's still an amazing event.

[Col.Aldo_Miles]

That is a very old story, but honestly, I have no idea where it comes from. I just have this feeling that it's a story many people know, but it's source is lost to time.

I think it's to reflect their Invulnerable save and that there's this chance that a Terminator can survive nearly anything, which in turn is due to them having a fragment of the Emperor's armour incorporated into the suit.
i never heard about them having fragments of the emperor's armour in them, source?

[KamiKaZantA]

source?
Here and there, I think you can find it in the discription for terminator armor in, I think, 4th edition codexexexexex

[spruecutter]

just to add to this, the 1st and 2nd editions had the terminator armour save at 2+...on 2d6. it was nigh impossible to kill a termie with a lasgun since strength of the weapon modified that armour save and lasguns were just as shitty then as they are now.

of coarse a titan stepping on a termie would count as one hell of a str modifier so it may mean rolling boxcars to survive but still it's a chance so it means the fluff can reflect the game.

[Brother-Captain Sharp]

just to add to this, the 1st and 2nd editions had the terminator armour save at 2+...on 2d6. it was nigh impossible to kill a termie with a lasgun since strength of the weapon modified that armour save and lasguns were just as shitty then as they are now.

of coarse a titan stepping on a termie would count as one hell of a str modifier so it may mean rolling boxcars to survive but still it's a chance so it means the fluff can reflect the game.

I think I'd actually like to have that system back. Sure it's a lot more complicated, but it makes so much more sense. Then again, it would require a complete over haul of the system. Which usually doesn't work too well.

Even with the idea that the Termy is pushed into the ground, I highly doubt that ground was soft and squigy (or a Titan would *not* be walking on it), so it's still an amazing event.

Ceramite armor is so hard and strong anything but a ground of solid metal would be considered soft when compared to it.

[Airwolf]

Well, sadly I have not got around to reading nearly all the fluff regarding titans. But either way, terminator armour though tough is fallable. For example in my recollection, the armour was still split open.

However throughout time, terminator armour has remained the same capabilities, and actually a consistent degree of toughness in the background.

In regards to the Crux Terminatus, it has always appeared in the fluff that it was a miniscule fragment of the emperor's suit of armour. Though it likely in my opinion, that only the original suits of armour serving and just built after the heresy were given the fragments, and those after got none.

For clarification, it was a save of 3+ on 2d6, and with many weapons having for example a -9 modifier, it was one of the few armours which actually got a save. That is if the heavy weapons hit. Ah, the days of trying to kill a terminator let alone hitting when you had all those to hit modifiers, i.e. target moved, long range etc. Miss those days.

Wolfy

[Phoenix Blaze]

It's quite possible every single suit of termy armour has a fragment of the Emperor's armour, because that's all it is, a fragment, it could be like a single molecule of it!

Even with ceramite being hella tough, it's not a solid block, so it has a certain structure which will be affected by bending stress and all sorts, so it could buckle, bend and split before it's totally pushed into the ground (beyond the knees I'd say, just for imagery purposes).

[Cho-Konnit]

just to add to this, the 1st and 2nd editions had the terminator armour save at 2+...on 2d6. it was nigh impossible to kill a termie with a lasgun since strength of the weapon modified that armour save and lasguns were just as shitty then as they are now.

Actually.....

1st Edition had their save as 2+ on 1D6, but would never be worse than 6+, regardless of the attacking weapons' save modifier.
2nd Edition had their save increased to 3+ on 2D6, and only Terminators bearing the mark of Khorne could have their save at 2+ on 2D6.

Lasguns were also slightly better than they are now, because even at S3, they still had a -1 save modifier.