Ironclad Dreadnought questions

[Fuzzawakka]

So if I have a standard Ironclad Dreadnought with a seismic hammer and a dreadnought close combat weapon and I am assaulting a squad of whatever. Do I get a plus 1 attack with the seismic hammer(lets say its another vehicle) in this instance or do I get a plus 1 attack with the close combat weapon as one ads a plus one to the chart and the other doesnt. So would I have a total of 4 attacks (+1 with the charge) 2 for the hammer and 2 for the dccw?

Also when attacking a squad of guys do I have any attacks that are I4 or are all the attacks I1 as the only thing I am armed with are a seismic hammer and a close combat weapon. I assume that it would be 3 attacks and if I lose one it would be 2 and never less then that for the amount of attacks.
Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon (p73 40k 5th)
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[Diagnosis Ninja]

I think that it is two close combat weapons, all benefiting from the Seismic hammer rules, like a normal model... so, 4 attacks on the charge, with the extra stuff :)

[Asdrubael Vect]

I think that it is two close combat weapons, all benefiting from the Seismic hammer rules, like a normal model... so, 4 attacks on the charge, with the extra stuff :)
As nothing in the rulebook says it doesn't, this is correct.

[Novasry]

I think that it is two close combat weapons, all benefiting from the Seismic hammer rules, like a normal model... so, 4 attacks on the charge, with the extra stuff :)
As nothing in the rulebook says it doesn't, this is correct.

what about the rules for having two types of special weapons????

[Asdrubael Vect]

Hmm. The rule book states Power Fists, Lightning Claws and Thunder Hammers. As these are none of those, 2 grant an extra CC attack.

Edit: Dread CCW is a power fist, isn't it? In that case, disregard what I said.

[Ron]

I think that it is two close combat weapons, all benefiting from the Seismic hammer rules, like a normal model... so, 4 attacks on the charge, with the extra stuff :)
As nothing in the rulebook says it doesn't, this is correct.

what about the rules for having two types of special weapons????
The thunderhammer is described as a DCCW with special rules. So, technically, it is both the same and different, but since the actual stats state 2(3) attacks, my guess is that the Ironclad does get +1A for the thunderhammer and DCCW(another reason not to replace the Thunderhammer with a chainfist).


Edit: Dread CCW is a power fist, isn't it?
No the DCCW is a DCCW, not a PF. 8)

[yWizePapaSmurfy]

It isn't a power fist, its a Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon.

Does that make it a Special CCW, is the question, though.

[Squaddie]

I would have said yes, but it is not on the list, so it probably doesn't count.

[Diagnosis Ninja]

its just a close combat weapon, only Dreadnought sized... then, you get a special dreadnought close combat weapon, so I would go with its the two together, power sword and bolt pistol style. it'll just get bonus attacks like an Ork Deff Dread does.

[Kroot Lord]

It says in the SM Codex:

"A Seismic Hammer is a DCCW that receives +1 on the vehicle penetration chart"

So it is indeed a DCCW, resulting in +1 attack in combination with the other DCCW.

The Chainfist however is something different: according to RAW, it is NOT a DCCW, so you wouldn't get an extra attack. However, most players don't go with that, and it should be FAQ'd sometime this century.

[Brother-Captain Sharp]

Also, if you strike using the chainfist, it strikes at Int 1. The rules for it state it is treated as a chainfist, and a chainfist strikes at initiative one, so that's what it is. No special rule is added on account of it being a dreadnought wielding it.