How Many 40K Armies Are There?

[CrazyTriangle]

I ask this all the time, but I'm still not really sure. I want to know how many separate army lists there are! For example.

Space Marines
-Black Templar
-Space Wolves
-Blood Angels

That's four! Salamanders used to have their own army list. Is it still valid?

Dark Eldar
-Wych Cult

That's 2 more!

Eldar

Eldar used to have different Craftworlds that gave you different lists to play do they still? I've heard they don't exist anymore and are no longer valid lists. Is there just a list somewhere of every valid Army List?

So based on the specific army forums.

Chaos Daemons
Chaos Space Marines
-Nurgle
-Slanesh
-Tzeentch
-Khorne
Daemonhunters
-Grey Knights
-Radical Daemon Hunters
Dark Eldar
-Wych Cults
Eldar
Imperial Guard
Necrons
Orks
Space Marines
-Black Templar
-Space Wolves
--13th Company of Space Wolves
-Blood Angels
-Dark Angels
Tau
Tyranids
Witch Hunters
-Sisters of Battle


My initial guess would be that at some point Codex armies were deemed the only allowable and everything that was in something like "Armageddon" was said no-no to. I might have even read that somewhere...

Am I missing anything off my list?

[Baragash]

Dark Angels.

Including Wych Cults as a separate list is a bit of a stretch IMO.

[CrazyTriangle]

Added! Is that the last one?

Also, I sort of agree but it made my point look better if I had something other than SM! I dunno, a couple things move around warriors become elites or something. It sort of matters.

There were Speed Kults of Orks or something too a while back. I don't remember how divergent they were.

[That guy from 2A3]

There used to be an Ork list for snake bites but it is no longer legal. As for races that have been completely phased out (I like to refer to them as "The Forgotten") there are the Lost and the Damned and the Zoats. Also, I didn't know that the Salamanders had a separate list- what edition was it?

[CrazyTriangle]

It was a very minor change, I think only a couple entries were changed. It was during...3rd? It was in a little codex type book called "armageddon" and that's where Black Templar rules were first found too.

[bigfishboy]

Armoured company for guard
Kroot merc

[CrazyTriangle]

Armoured company for guard
Kroot merc

Yeah, this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. Are those two still legal or have they been phased out?

[Locke Carnelia]

Kroot Mercs are still legal, although with online source material.

Apparently downright devastating if played right.

Also, Squats, unless we're only counting legal and playable armies now.

[Gkjester]

Kroot Mercs are still legal, although with online source material.

Apparently downright devastating if played right.

Also, Squats, unless we're only counting legal and playable armies now.

since we seem to only be counting legal and playable armies, do to Chaos armies count. Technically, they're all Black Legion now unless you play one of the 4 cults.
Nurgle
Slanesh
Tzeentch
Khorne

Also, under the Inquisition tab:
Sisters of Battle
Witchhunters
Daemonhunters
Grey Knights

[edmundblack]

Don't forget Radical Daemonhunters too. They can be classed as different, as they work totally differently to any other Inquisition army.

[Thatfatguy]

Space wolves 13th company - diff rukes

[CrazyTriangle]

Kroot Mercs are still legal, although with online source material.

Apparently downright devastating if played right.

Also, Squats, unless we're only counting legal and playable armies now.

since we seem to only be counting legal and playable armies, do to Chaos armies count. Technically, they're all Black Legion now unless you play one of the 4 cults.
Nurgle
Slanesh
Tzeentch
Khorne

Also, under the Inquisition tab:
Sisters of Battle
Witchhunters
Daemonhunters
Grey Knights

Having never been tempted to play Chaos, I don't even know. Do the four cults play differently and have different lists? I remember plague marines having 5 toughness...(I think) and some sorcerer type marines having two wounds but I don't remember how that came about at all.

Yes, I mean legal playable armies.

[Gkjester]

Yes, Chaos is divided up into:
Black Legion (face it guys, you know it's true) and then the pure versions of the 4 cult armies.
Nurgle
Slanesh
Tzeentch
Khorne

[CrazyTriangle]

Yes, Chaos is divided up into:
Black Legion (face it guys, you know it's true) and then the pure versions of the 4 cult armies.
Nurgle
Slanesh
Tzeentch
Khorne

And these all have separate lists or at least different Marine statlines?

[Gkjester]

Different marine and terminator statlines and unit restrictions if you go pure.

[CrazyTriangle]

Different marine and terminator statlines and unit restrictions if you go pure.

Not exactly what I meant when I posed the question but for now good enough. Later I may weed out things that are basically "Just like the regular but you can't field unit X".

[The Dark Pwner]

iron warriors for chaos space marine (you'll have to check if its still legal)

that was totally different list

[Gkjester]

iron warriors for chaos space marine (you'll have to check if its still legal)

that was totally different list

Not legal anymore.

Current Chaos codex is either:
Black Legion - field any unit in the codex with no restrictions
Or one of the 4 pure cult legions.

CrazyTriangle:
I answered your question.
Each of the Cult armies has unique core marines with specific stats and special rules.

[RossMM]

CrazyTriangle:
I answered your question.
Each of the Cult armies has unique core marines with specific stats and special rules.

But they use exactly the same codex and rules, so I wouldn't class them as distinct armies. Now they only exist for those who remember the old background and want to create a themed army. I reckon Wych Cults have more of a right to be in the list as at least they have unique choices and move units around the force org. chart (although, by that logic, so would every Ork and SM character who does the same).

[Gkjester]

Different marine and terminator statlines and unit restrictions if you go pure.

Not exactly what I meant when I posed the question but for now good enough. Later I may weed out things that are basically "Just like the regular but you can't field unit X".

So, basically, only stand-alone codeci count then? That is basically what you all are saying.

eg..
Daemonhunters codex:
can be Grey Knights
can be mixed
can be Radical
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all fall under the same codex with restrictions, "if you have this, then you can't have this".

Witch hunters is the same situation.
*walks away from topic*