Stubborn vs Fearless.

[Deception]

I've been thinking, what is better Being stubborn or being fearless?

Personally i think stubborn is better especially when your resolving close combat, cause when you loose you still get to roll two dice and get bellow your leadership, where as fearless makes you take FEARLESS saves which IMO end up hurting you more. especially if your horrifyingly outnumbered, whereas being stubborn even if your outnumbered you have a better chance of holding out then being fearless.

the only advantage fearless is automatically passing LD checks.

what do you guys think?

[edmundblack]

Stubborn is great for Guard and other low LD armies as it keeps them where they need to be for the greater plan to come to fruition. Being Fearless however ... in my experience, it only serves to enable you to ignore pinning tests of any kind, and on the whole see it as more of a hindrance than a benefit. With Stubborn there's at least a chance of getting out of a situation that you don't want to be in.

[Ron]

Fearless is nice outside of CC, but the fact that it makes a bad CC situation many times worse far outweighs that benefit, IMHO.

My 'Nids and Daemons hate no retreat.

[Deception]

Yeah stubborn Is godly in guard, specially yarrick, i rarely make lists without him now.

[meatbyproducts]

I have talked a fair amount of people into running Pedro Cantor in their SM armies much to my own pain later when I do not get to run them down for losing combat (ATSNNF basically makes them Fearless if they fail in CC)

[Fingers]

fearless better out of cc
stubborn better in cc

imho

[Durandal]

I have talked a fair amount of people into running Pedro Cantor in their SM armies much to my own pain later when I do not get to run them down for losing combat (ATSNNF basically makes them Fearless if they fail in CC)

It makes them better then Fearless, in my opinion. Being immune to being swept, having a 3+ if you have to take NR! wounds, and still having a chance to get out of combat (and almost automatically regroup) is awesome.

[Angelofblades]

Stubborn really makes it's money in combat, where the majority of Ld modifiers exist, and chances are in your favor. However, Stubborn models are still subject to pinning, tank shock, 25% morale checks etc.

Fearless, makes it money by ignoring pinning, tank shock, 25% from shooting etc. However becomes a liability in combat.