1750 pts tourney-guard

[Havock]

Okay, so I am in doubt between these two lists:

First up is an all guard list with a suicide squad and an anti-tough stuff squad, a bit filler here and there.

1750 pts Doctrined  Imperial Guard
Belkan 8492nd

Doctrines:
-	Grenadiers
-	Iron discipline
-	Drop troops
-	Veterans
HQ:
Command platoon (5)
JO: boltpistol, powerweapon, Iron Discipline, meltabombs
Veteran, stormbolter
3x flamer
-frag grenades
90 pts
+ Chimera “Svafnir”
Autocannon, hull heavy bolter, extra armor, heavy stubber, searchlight, smoke launchers
111 pts
201 pts

Sentinel support squad: 
1x multilaser
45 pts

Elites:
Hardened Veterans squad (8)
Vet sarge: laspistol & ccw
3x plasmagun, lascannon, 3x lasgun
124 pts

Hardened Veterans (5)
Vet sarge: bolter
3x meltagun, 1x lasgun
76 pts

Troops:
Stormtrooper squad “Grabacr” (8)
Veteran sergeant: Mastercrafted plasma pistol & powerweapon, meltabombs
2x plasma gun
5x hellgun
141 pts
+ Chimera “Grabacr”
Autocannon, hull heavy bolter, extra armor, heavy stubber, searchlight, smoke launchers
111 pts
252 pts

 
Stormtrooper squad “Ofnir” (6)
Veteran sergeant: hellpistol & powerweapon, meltabombs
2x meltagun
3x hellgun
96 pts
+ Chimera “Ofnir”
Autocannon, hull heavy bolter, extra armor, heavy stubber, searchlight, smoke launchers
111 pts
207 pts

Fast Attack:
Hellhound “Garm”
Inferno cannon, hull heavy bolter, extra armour, RTM, heavy stubber, smoke launchers
140 pts

Hellhound: 
Extra armour, smoke launchers, heavy stubber
135 pts

Cyclops demo vehicle:
1x Cyclops, 1 operator
25 pts

Heavy Support:
Leman Russ Vanquisher “Hresvelgr”
Vanquisher cannon, hull heavy bolter, extra armor, smoke launchers
188 pts

Leman Russ “Hrimfaxi”
hull HB, sponson HB’s, extra armor, smoke launchers
163 pts

Leman Russ Demolisher “Fenris”
Demolisher cannon, hull lascannon, sponson plasma cannons, extra armor, smoke launchers
193 pts

1749 pts

and a second IG list with DH allies (yes, is allowed), this list isn't optimal and has some fluff choices (anointed weapon, it's a radical inq. with a daemon weapon, this is a nice "counts as".

List has less direct firepower, but does win squarely on tricks. the =][= and his cronies can go assist with nasty stuff and possibly smack down a few meq's or something.

1750 pts Doctrined  Imperial Guard /w daemonhunter allies
Belkan 8492nd

Doctrines:
-	Grenadiers
-	Iron discipline
-	Drop troops
HQ:
Command platoon (5)
JO: boltpistol, powerweapon, Iron Discipline
Veteran, stormbolter
3x flamer
80 pts
+ Chimera “Svafnir”
Autocannon, hull heavy bolter, extra armor, heavy stubber, searchlight, smoke launchers
111 pts
191 pts

Daemonhunter Inquisitor Lord:
Power armour, psycannon, anointed weapon, frag grenades
111 pts
Henchmen:
3x warrior henchmen /w plasma guns
1x sage
1x familiair
76 pts
187 pts

Elites:
Callidus Assassin @ 120 pts

Hardened Veterans (5)
Vet sarge : bolter
3x meltagun, 1x lasgun
76 pts

Troops:
Stormtrooper squad “Grabacr” (8)
Veteran sergeant: Mastercrafted plasma pistol & powerweapon, meltabombs
2x plasma gun
5x hellgun
141 pts
+ Chimera “Grabacr”
Autocannon, hull heavy bolter, extra armor, heavy stubber, searchlight, smoke launchers
111 pts
252 pts

 
Stormtrooper squad “Ofnir” (5)
Veteran sergeant: hellpistol & powerweapon, meltabombs
2x meltagun
3x hellgun
96 pts
+ Chimera “Ofnir”
Autocannon, hull heavy bolter, extra armor, heavy stubber, searchlight, smoke launchers
111 pts
207 pts

Fast Attack:
Hellhound “Garm”
Inferno cannon, hull heavy bolter, extra armour, RTM, smoke launchers
128 pts

Sentinel: multilaser
45 pts

Heavy Support:
Leman Russ Vanquisher “Hresvelgr”
Vanquisher cannon, hull heavy bolter, extra armor, smoke launchers
188 pts

Leman Russ “Hrimfaxi”
Battlecannon, Hull heavy bolter, sponson heavy bolters, smoke launchers
163 pts

Leman Russ Demolisher “Fenris”
Demolisher cannon, hull lascannon, sponson plasma cannons, extra armor, smoke launchers
193 pts

1750 pts

Which is list would you like more to play against? not nicer or something, but just cooler? people are already complaining like hell about my armoured guard because they can't stand it that gaunts can't hurt them and such crap, they don't like it when entire units are made obsolete.
(I should really ask him not to deploy those winged hive tyrants, I can't do shit against those with my lasguns

[Terminator]

I have the IG codex, just not with me at this moment. Forgive me if I've made errors in that regard. Just my opinions here... take them with a grain of salt! :D

For the first list:
- Chimera's can't have autocannons - only heavy bolter or multilaser, right?
- you have only 2 troops choices while you have 2 elites and 3 heavy - lame. I'd drop the elites for another stormtrooper/chimera squad.
- with that, I wouldn't take "Drop Troops" as you're basically mechanized infantry
- why give a meltabomb to an officer in a flamer squad?
- I wouldn't take the Sentinel by itself, especially with a multilaser - either 3 or none. You need more anti-armor at range, so I would take them with lascannons.
- What on earth is a Cyclops? I seriously don't know, but it sounds awesome.

For the second list, much the same - too top-heavy, not enough core troops. This army would be easily defeated, in my opinion.

If you drop some of the shiny-extra points stuff and flesh out your troops choices, you'll still have a great armored strike force with a lot more depth. Just food for thought. Good luck!

[Caboose]

I have the IG codex, just not with me at this moment. Forgive me if I've made errors in that regard. Just my opinions here... take them with a grain of salt!

For the first list:
- Chimera's can't have autocannons - only heavy bolter or multilaser, right?
Forge world rules.
- you have only 2 troops choices while you have 2 elites and 3 heavy - lame. I'd drop the elites for another stormtrooper/chimera squad.
no keep the vets bs4 is handy needed for lascannons
- with that, I wouldn't take "Drop Troops" as you're basically mechanized infantry
yes no need for it
- why give a meltabomb to an officer in a flamer squad?
- I wouldn't take the Sentinel by itself, especially with a multilaser - either 3 or none. You need more anti-armor at range, so I would take them with lascannons.
groups of 2, 3 a unit is to many points for av 10 walkers
- What on earth is a Cyclops? I seriously don't know, but it sounds awesome.
forge world again

For the second list, much the same - too top-heavy, not enough core troops. This army would be easily defeated, in my opinion.

If you drop some of the shiny-extra points stuff and flesh out your troops choices, you'll still have a great armored strike force with a lot more depth. Just food for thought. Good luck!

[Caboose]

I have the IG codex, just not with me at this moment. Forgive me if I've made errors in that regard. Just my opinions here... take them with a grain of salt!

For the first list:
- Chimera's can't have autocannons - only heavy bolter or multilaser, right?
Forge world rules.
- you have only 2 troops choices while you have 2 elites and 3 heavy - lame. I'd drop the elites for another stormtrooper/chimera squad.
no keep the vets bs4 is handy and needed for lascannons.
- with that, I wouldn't take "Drop Troops" as you're basically mechanized infantry
yes no need for it
- why give a meltabomb to an officer in a flamer squad?
- I wouldn't take the Sentinel by itself, especially with a multilaser - either 3 or none. You need more anti-armor at range, so I would take them with lascannons.
groups of 2, 3 a unit is to many points for av 10 walkers.
- What on earth is a Cyclops? I seriously don't know, but it sounds awesome.
forge world again.

For the second list, much the same - too top-heavy, not enough core troops. This army would be easily defeated, in my opinion.

If you drop some of the shiny-extra points stuff and flesh out your troops choices, you'll still have a great armored strike force with a lot more depth. Just food for thought. Good luck!

[Terminator]

Sorry, didn't know the forgeworld rule on the autos. To clarify, I would take multiple Sentinels, but in single-unit squadrons. Make sense?

Thanks for the clarification, Caboose.

[Havock]

It's what I have, sort of, I'll probably drag the =][= along, I don't expect very cheesy lists so...