What really grinds your gears? The Pet Peeves Thread

[yWizePapaSmurfy]

Semantics...Let me show you them:

<abortedsoul> - so, i'm looking at your jetbikes, it doesn't say when i mouseover which models have the lance
<abortedsoul> - are they marked somehow?
<Smurfy> - keep in mind de sprites are daed
<Smurfy> - and i am using blatster denotation
<Smurfy> - dated*
<Smurfy> - three lances on dread
<abortedsoul> - what is a blatster denotation?
<Smurfy> - the ones with blasters denote (represent) lances
<abortedsoul> - you saying the blaster denotes the melta?
<Smurfy> - vocab
<Smurfy> - aye
<abortedsoul> - i know what the word means you asshole
<abortedsoul> - i was asking what you were representing
<Smurfy> - lol
<Smurfy> -
<Smurfy> - its kinda obv imo but ok
<Smurfy> rolls 3 dice, 3+ to hit, Strength 8 against Armour 12...
* 2 out of 3 dice hit (3+) = (4,3,2)
* 1 die penetrates (5+) = (6,2)
<abortedsoul> - so blasters denote lances
<abortedsoul> - ok
<abortedsoul> - where the -fuck- are the heat lances
<abortedsoul> - put this flag on them
<Smurfy> - ...mouse obrt
<abortedsoul> - because teh models aren't marked
<Smurfy> - over*
<abortedsoul> - i don't see you highlighting anything.
<abortedsoul> - maybe mis-synced?
<Smurfy> - dont need to, mouseover says which
<abortedsoul> - so, none of the jetbikes have them
<abortedsoul> - k
<Smurfy> - l2 read
<Smurfy> - or ill leave
<Smurfy> - common sense sir
<Smurfy> - found em?
<Smurfy> - heres a hint - the champ is important to the squad
<Smurfy> - where is he locaed
<Smurfy> - who else is important in the unit
<Smurfy> - they're prolly nearby
<abortedsoul> - i moused over them. no meltas came up.
<Smurfy> - no blasters even?
<abortedsoul> - you said blasters were lance
<Smurfy> - i did didnt i?
<abortedsoul> - you sir, are a douche
<Smurfy> - no im not
<Smurfy> - i said that
<abortedsoul> - you could have just said " i have no melta"
<Smurfy> - i have 2 melta
<Smurfy> - its in my list
<Smurfy> - lol
<abortedsoul> - ok, where are they
<Smurfy> - read the models
<abortedsoul> - I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE THINGS ARE
<Smurfy> - ...you cant read models that say
<abortedsoul> - i'm not going to mouse over every fucking thing in the list
<Smurfy> - ETC ETC?
<Smurfy> - well ok then lazy lol
<Smurfy> - know they're near the champ
<Smurfy> - that's so i dont break coherency if i lose models
<Smurfy> - and have to waste a turn recons
<Smurfy> - soo logic says
<Smurfy> - they're all with the champ
<Smurfy> - which is on the right side
<Smurfy> - clear now?
<abortedsoul> - no, but whatever.
<abortedsoul> - i am reading your list. I don't see it on the models. i have moused over the jetbikes.
<Smurfy> - mouse over those 3
<abortedsoul> - there is no melta coming up
<Smurfy> - BLASTER
<abortedsoul> - those are
<abortedsoul> - i see htat.
<abortedsoul> - you know what, you are a pain in the ass.
<Smurfy> - i said blaster denotes melta
<Smurfy> - but ok
<mercer> - Yeah he is an ass
<abortedsoul> - i wanted to have a game to learn the DE
<Smurfy> - lol
<abortedsoul> - and you've been nothing but a douchewad son
<Smurfy> - im helping but you dont read
<Smurfy> - =/
<mercer> - he is a douchebag
<Smurfy> - thx
<Smurfy> - :3
<abortedsoul> - I did read. I read your list, says it has x2 heat lances.
<abortedsoul> - it's not on the models. i say so.
<abortedsoul> - you play fucking guessing games instead of saying "hey, this is it."
<Smurfy> - and i said blasters denote melta
<Smurfy> - clear as day
<abortedsoul> - no, you said blasters denote LANCE
<Smurfy> - which are the saem
<Smurfy> - heat lances
<Smurfy> - = melta lance
<Smurfy> - lol
<abortedsoul> - *facepalm*
<mercer> - not the same
<Smurfy> - so bikes can take lances?
<abortedsoul> - I DONT' KNOW THE FUCKING CODEX
<Smurfy> - i didnt say that on my list though
<abortedsoul> - as if I didn't say that enough
<abortedsoul> - goodbye.
<Smurfy> - kk

If you don't like semantics, don't catch me on a good night, lol. This is how I can get on a good night in a VASSAL game.

[Arlins]

The constant GW bitching , accusations of being a rip off company .... simple if its to expensive for you don't play.

Players who give up when by the 2nd turn its not going there way , and do stupid shit so itl be over ASAP , if im getting my arse handed to me i still try to give my oppo a decent game

[Cryage]

The problem is not everyone has those kinds of conversion skills. I know I couldn't make it look convincing. Changing the Gauss colour is easy to do, cheap to implement and does the job well enough - you can tell them apart from everyone else. It could be said that, rather than being beefier Necrons with multiple-barreled Gauss Weapons, they actually tweak the weapon to be higher-powered, which changes the colour.

But how far do you stretch that? With tyranids, should I say it's acceptable to paint termagants black to represent warriors, paint the green to represent gargoyles, brown for hormagants, red for genestealers? I mean a gauss colour change is nothing but just that - a simple colour change. The models themselves aren't physically different.

But I do agree, GW's prices are a bit... inflated, and IMHO everything should come in plastic (as I stated in the metal vs plastic thread ).

[PyroSikTh]

@ Smurfy; Uh, what the hell? No offense to the guy, but really? Was he really that slow on the uptake? I mean it's fairly obvious what you were on about.

But how far do you stretch that? With tyranids, should I say it's acceptable to paint termagants black to represent warriors, paint the green to represent gargoyles, brown for hormagants, red for genestealers? I mean a gauss colour change is nothing but just that - a simple colour change. The models themselves aren't physically different.

But it's a colour change that works. Just painting gaunts different colours to represent different things doesn't. The line isn't set in stone, it depends entirely on what exactly you're changing the colour for. Painting red Termagants for Spinefists and blue Termagants for Devourers is a change that works.

[Cryage]

The constant GW bitching , accusations of being a rip off company .... simple if its to expensive for you don't play.

Players who give up when by the 2nd turn its not going there way , and do stupid shit so itl be over ASAP , if im getting my arse handed to me i still try to give my oppo a decent game

I try not to complain too much about the price of the GW models, they are expensive, but they also have to represent a ruleset so its not just a simple piece of plastic we're buying.

I too agree about players quitting into turn 2 as well... I play Necrons so I can see when something is going foul, but I'll still fight till I phase out

[Arlins]

I try not to complain too much about the price of the GW models, they are expensive, but they also have to represent a ruleset so its not just a simple piece of plastic we're buying.

I too agree about players quitting into turn 2 as well... I play Necrons so I can see when something is going foul, but I'll still fight till I phase out

The models are expensive and we all whinge about it , its the guys who just constantly go on and on and on and come up with how it could be done better and how theyd do it
better that piss me off

[Casinos Biggest Mik]

The models are expensive and we all whinge about it , its the guys who just constantly go on and on and on and come up with how it could be done better and how theyd do it

yeah we got a guy at our local like that.. 'ooh thats so expensive... why are the models so expensive... why cant they make them cheaper... its not like the modelling costs that much, its all automated... etc. etc'
so finally we got down to it and did a little reasearch into the pricing guidelines and such... ok so a tactical squad in autralia costs 45 dollars (dunno how much in other countries) this takes into account the 45 sprues that were tested and failed before they picked the ones they want, the $6.50 in costs (electricity, replacing parts in the sprue making machines etc.), the royalties that are paid to the person who created the model in the first place (works out about 4c a sprue, or 7c a metal model) this also doesnt take into account the packaging (plastic and cardboard worth 12c a box) shipping fees and all that other crap... then comes the fact that the person you are buying it off needs to make a profit as well...
well after we hit him with all this he shut up good and proper... hit the whingy people with some random facts like this and they stop pretty quick.
as a rule, we have the right to gripe about it a little... but more than once a day is going too far.. GW employees have kids to feed too

[PyroSikTh]

ok so a tactical squad in autralia costs 45 dollars

There's your problem. If anyone in the world has a right to complain about GW prices, it's the Australians. $45 converts roughly to about £28, except we only pay £23. Australians have the pricing far worse than anyone else in the entire world when it comes to GW, well maybe Kiwi's get it worse, but you get my point. We regard £23 for 10 men too expensive, and yet you guys are paying an extra £5 for it.

[Enigmacookie]

There's your problem. If anyone in the world has a right to complain about GW prices, it's the Australians. $45 converts roughly to about £28, except we only pay £23. Australians have the pricing far worse than anyone else in the entire world when it comes to GW, well maybe Kiwi's get it worse, but you get my point. We regard £23 for 10 men too expensive, and yet you guys are paying an extra £5 for it.

I just checked the GW page, and whoa! A squad of guys cost £21 (190NOK) !! Was about to come over here and LOL at getting it for £2 less, but discovered that it was £21 for the Combat Squad...not the full Tactical squad. FML

But yeah, us from other places in the world (Australia. New Zealand, Scandinavia) would love to get models for UK prices.

[sneggy]

@smurfy.
Yeh, I 'played' that guy a couple of weeks back. We didn't even get as far as deploying. He refused to deploy after I rolled dawn of war and he argued that you don't roll for deployment until after you have placed objectives (in capture and control you can only place objectives in your deployment zone so fairly obviously you do roll for deployment) I even quoted him a page number and he argued with me for 10 minutes that i was wrong. Ended up just copy and pasting the page number until he left....just a general avoidance note on him me thinks.


Gear grinders....I don't have a huge amount.
People who swap lists when they see my army annoy me.
People telling me how to play mid-game (I'll have a plan, I doubt your arbitrary "why don't you assault that carnifex with your farseer?" comment is helpful.)

@other commenters:
proxying, fine so long as its agreed upon and doesnt go too far. I once played a guy using a square of paper as a leman russ.

[Casinos Biggest Mik]

I once played a guy using a square of paper as a leman russ.

see this can be construed as too far though.... sure base wise its the same size... but a russ is a darn sight taller than a sheet of paper.... proxying with non model stuff is harder now cos of TLoS

well maybe Kiwi's get it worse, but you get my point. We regard £23 for 10 men too expensive, and yet you guys are paying an extra £5 for it.

this my friend is very true... we have it a fair bit worse than most.. but thats what we get for being so far away from it all... and descendants of convict etc etc... lols at arrow pattern pyjamas... thays essentially what our convict uniforms looked like... britain is so not original... anyways what was my point.. oh yeah...well as far as i can tell, and with the fluctuation of currency, we are onyl paying a little bit more than standard... but that little bit over a 3000 point army works out as a fair chunck of dollars.

[Beeva]

"Theirs" "There's" and "They'res" - What, no one said it had to be 40k related!

Proxying up to the point where you can no longer remember who or what anything is suppossed to be so you can't work out if you're shooting at a unit of Grots or a Deamon Prince. If all yo uhave to remember is "These terminators are mega nobz" then fine, it should be temporary though, at some point you're going to have to buy those models.

Wysiwyg doesn't really bother me, if a Plasma is a flamer or a Thunderhammer is a Power Sword then knock yourself out. Been playing with the loadout of my Tyranid Warriors for a while and they were all glued and painted for the last editon when you could have a mix of weapons, so now without buying new models or reworking my old ones I have a mixture of Devourers and Death Spitters. I've bought new models though and these are being made up, time is not my friend these days though and I'm still using my old models.

[herplover]

When you can buy 80 Zombies from Mantic Games for £30, but £80 from GW (and a lesser quality), then you have a right to complain about GW prices.

You missed the point though.The game is a hobby not a life necessity.Almost everything is going up in price ,especially essential items.Not familiar with frantic games miniatures but do their zombies come in sprews with all the extras.Talking to game store staff near me GW has gone up in price less than the average miniature game system.Mantic may be the exception i dont know.All i meant if you must complain about prices then complain about the cost of gas,the cost of food and cloths,the cost of having medical insurance not complain about pewter or plastic miniatures.If the miniatures are that bad in price play another game,there are plenty out there.Saw a post about a game that uses cheap army men.Play that.get a whole company for under $20 if you buy them at the dollar store.

[PyroSikTh]

Not familiar with frantic games miniatures but do their zombies come in sprews with all the extras.

Yupp. It's 60 Zombies for £30, but with enough parts to make 20 more. They're also higher quality than GW zombies, and about the same size.

[Xhukari]

You missed the point though.The game is a hobby not a life necessity.Almost everything is going up in price[COLOR="rgb(154, 205, 50)"]ecetera...[/COLOR]

Well that's a lot of Off-topic right there than can spiral this thread to an argument about hobby pricing.

OT:
I think all of this mention about proxies comes down to exactly who you've been VSing and to what extremes of proxy then go to..
I have to agree with Cryage a bit here though, just changing the colour of something to become something else doesn't really work. There's quite a difference between an Immortal & Warrior. Even just some simple bulking out could work. Though conversely, I agree with Pyro concerning the weapons a Termagant has by using colour.

[yWizePapaSmurfy]

I fought against this sucktacular chimera today:

Eldrad: 210

Farseer: Doom, Fortune, Spirit Stones, Runes of Witnessing. 145

Warlocks x10: Enhance, Embolden. 270
Wave Serpent: Cannon, Catapult, Spirit Stones: 110

Warlocks x10: Enhance, Embolden. 270
Wave Serpent: Cannon, Catapult, Spirit Stones: 110

Pathfindersx5: 120

Pathfindersx5: 120

Storm Guardians x16: 173
Warlock: Enhance, Singing Spear.
Flamerx2

Dark Reapers x4: 182
Exarch: ML, Fast Shot

Harlequinsx x10: Kisses x8, Fusion Pistol x2. 284
Troupe Master: Power sword
Shadowseer: Kiss

~40k Nation: Nehemiah Daehn's Eldar~

List I used is in the DE section.

Almost put it in my slave ship, but ELDRAD WAS LEFT WITH 1 WOUND AND A IMMOBILIZED WAVE SERPENT WAS LEFT! Guess this kinda shows why KPs are a balancing factor though, lol.

[ugavine]

I have to agree with Cryage a bit here though, just changing the colour of something to become something else doesn't really work. There's quite a difference between an Immortal & Warrior. Even just some simple bulking out could work.

I'm the one that's using Warriors as Immortals, painted in bronze and fitted with yellow rods for their gaus blasters so they look different.

Full story is that I have only played my Necrons twice in the 12 months I've been playing. I can just about field 1500 points only if I proxy those 10 Warriors for Immortals. I don't want to customise them further because when GW do re-release Necrons I will buy some proper Immortals (if they're still in the new codex) and use these as Warriors again. £85 for a 10 man unit for TWO games, I don't think so. And it's not like I'm not spending money with GW, far from it - 4 armies now in 12 months, I'm just not spending it on silly priced models,

If you still think that's wrong, well I guess it doesn't matter as we're unlikely to ever play, but my mates don't have a problem with it and I don't have a problem with models as Proxies either; my only issue with proxies would be silly things like a tissue box as a Land Raider or the infamous Coke bottle Carnifex.

[Mael]

Alright so Wargaming pet peeves:

a) Proxies. If I will go as far as to not play with unpainted models the least you can do is glue your own models to their bases. If you don't have it, don't run it. No Proxying!

b) Codex creep/sweeping changes across editions. This drives me absolutely insane, I hate when the newest codex has access to all I have access to but cheaper and with ten extra special rules. I also hate when a new edition of the game comes out and suddenly the rules work completely different in 100 subtle ways. If you couldn't get the rules right within 5+ iterations maybe you're doing it wrong.

[thegreatergood]

pet peeves:

1: my hick neighbors

2: the whole proxy debate. i really don't mind proxies, i don't (i am proxying razorwing flocks with warriors and an archon with a klaivex) and i am totally fine with it if the model isn't out yet (i use a dreadknight base for my voidraven until they release it) but i know a guy who has a chaos SM army, and uses it as: CSM, vanilla SM, SW. it really pushes my buttons, i mean, i cant tell which unit is which eg: so those chosen are long fangs then. no there blood claws. and that is for every unit in the army! its not like he is cheating, he is a nice guy and a good friend, its just so hard to see which unit is which as for the immortals, i totally agree with pyro, i mean, WHY THE HELL SHOULD I PAY 150 FOR 10 GUYS WHEN I CAN GET THEM FOR 30???

[Tbcrow]

Acronyms!! I cannot stand them on forums. Not everyone knows every acronym under the sun, and are probably just as sick of googling them as I am.

Man up and type the 5 extra letters it takes to make the two words you keep abbreviating.