Idea for female spacemarine.

**Son of Sanguinius** · 7th July 2011 21:20

One of the greatest things about this game for me is fluff and I LOVE making my own. I have long wanted to have some female space marines but wanted it in a way that would not go to much against current fluff, so I got this idea and wanted to throw it at you guys to if it sticks.

Here goes:

The gene seed locks on to that thing that makes men men and those can't be used in women, the only way around this I can think of is the intervention of chaos. The greater daemon that now rules in fulgrim's body had a plan to create a female marine to help him seduce some more loyalists to his side, using his unholy powers he took some gene seed (being carful to keep it pure so as to not alert the loyalist) and bounded it to a young women. She became a Guardsmen (or woman as it were) and rose in rakes swiftly because of her super human strength and what not, one day during a great battle her unit was killed and she wounded badly was founded by a space marine squad.

The apothecary was surpised to find, while he was healing her, that she had gene seed in her, he then brought this to his chapter master's attention and he in turned told his captains. After long debates it was decided that she would be made a space marine.

The idea for this story I'm making is that she will go the training that every space marine goes through, all the while daemons will try to tempt her and control her to bring about the destruction of her chapter from the inside.

Thoughts, guys?

**Coldfire** · 7th July 2011 21:33

A couple issues I noticed.

First: The idea of tempting Space Marines with a female. To my knowledge, that isn't something Space Marines contemplate on any level, so it seems like a fruitless approach. Beings as powerfull as the Chaos gods would know that.

Second: I'm not sure about this, but I thought placing the gene-seed inside a body turned the person (physically) into a Space Marine in a relativly short period of time. Like a couple of days or something like that. If so, it would have been pretty freaking obvious that something was up with this woman.

Third: Again, I'm no expert, but I wouldn't think a Space Marine Apothecary would waste his time on a guardsman, no matter the rank. It seems like there would be any number of better uses of his time.

Fourth: I doubt the Space Marines, as paranoid as they are about Chaos, would just accept this stranger into their ranks. Beyond the fact that it's a woman, something they all know to be "impossible" and thus suspect, it's not their gene-seed. They dont' know where it came from or whose it is. Without the gene-seed of their primarch, wouldn't it not even be "their' space marine? Seems like they'd be far more likely to disect her or something like that.

That said, this is by far the most plausable explanation for a female marine I've seen. The idea of Chaos being behind it would certainly lend the idea some credence. Still, I do think it needs a bit more refining. Though I have to wonder what the obsession is with female space marines. I mean, it seems like every other week someone pops up with a new idea for them. Why? Why are people so nuts about this?

**herplover** · 7th July 2011 21:37

Originally Posted by Coldfire

The idea of tempting Space Marines with a female. To my knowledge, that isn't something Space Marines contemplate on any level, so it seems like a fruitless approach. Beings as powerfull as the Chaos gods would know that.

That would be a challenge slaanesh ot tzeentch would love to try.I can definately see it working.SM may not be tempted by a "normal" mortal woman but throw the great deciever and or prince of pleasure in the mix and its a whole new game.

**Architech** · 7th July 2011 21:43

Cold's 4th point is the big one...she would be examined to the point of autopsied. Carrying the geneseed within her to bond it to females...could make sense...but she'd still need all the extra stuff they put in SM.

I don't know. I've seen people attempt to justify female marines...it's just not in keeping with the fluff. And I have not seen anything to show me that someone will do even a half decent job presenting it

**daddy4count** · 7th July 2011 21:45

There was a running thread on this topic a couple weeks ago but I could not find it perusing about... there were a few cool ideas thrown out in that one

**Son of Sanguinius** · 8th July 2011 00:09

My answer to that third question is that I think if a group of marine came upon a wounded human soldier and there were no other pressing concerns then they would stop to heal the wounded, seems logical to me.

As for the fourth one, I know its jumping some logic but I was going to make it that this chapter is slightly radical, as in, it sees that change is needed if humanity wants to survive, of course the choice to let her join is not a quick or easy one, there is long debate and of course later in the story questions will arise if those that fought for her were actually already influenced by chaos.

As for my the obsession? Don't know, thought it sounded cool

**Phoenix Blaze** · 8th July 2011 07:08

Coldfire fails in his knowledge of Astartes. Gene-seed takes years to turn humans into marines (along with all the other organs and the black carapace) not days. But at least he sort of owned up to it

I too find myself scratching my head at the numerous attempts at female Astartes. I like the idea of an instigator, one woman who started it all and brought about the downfall of the Imperium. Yes, if some Space Marines came across a wounded soldier or even just some people they'd have a look and check them out and maybe give them the medical attention they need. Space Marines are there to defend and protect humanity and leaving one to die when you could've saved her/him goes against that. But! The second they saw something was amiss, boom, dead. The Imperium is fiercely paranoid about this kind of stuff and would rather dispose of it that risk it going any further.

A radical chapter could work but to me, radical chapters are just renegades, they just don't realise it yet.

There was a user here years ago who had a female chapter and modelled the entire army to go along with it. There was a lot of fluff to go along with it, something about how they weren't Astartes but something else altogether. Maybe try going down that rought, gene-programmed humans like Custodians, rather than actual Astartes. Or just do them as Chaos and said chaos did it.

**198of505** · 8th July 2011 10:48

Originally Posted by Phoenix Blaze

Maybe try going down that rought, gene-programmed humans like Custodians, rather than actual Astartes.

I always thought that the Custodians where a half way step between the Primarchs and 'normal' marines rather than gene programmed?

Or just do them as Chaos and said chaos did it.

Thats my plan with the Corrupted SoB I'm running Bile came along and twisted the Cannoness round his finger, she lusted after the power of the Astartes. That and a Renegade Tech Lord has boosted the strenght, toughness and power output of the SoB power Armour. Which I think is the easiest option for Female Space Marine.

**Coldfire** · 8th July 2011 14:06

Originally Posted by Phoenix Blaze

Coldfire fails in his knowledge of Astartes. Gene-seed takes years to turn humans into marines (along with all the other organs and the black carapace) not days. But at least he sort of owned up to it

Alright, wasn't sure about that. I know precious little about Space Marines. In fact, all I know comes from a few series of books (Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Soul Drinkers, etc). Never even thumbed through the codex. Thanks for clearing that up.

**Son of Sanguinius** · 8th July 2011 17:29

Sure, just making them chaos would solve just about everything but I don't like writing chaos main character stories. chaos makes for great villains not heroes.

Hmmm, the idea that she could be something other then a actual space marine is interesting but I really wanted her to like in constant contact with the said chapter, can't really like of anyone other then marines and the odd servant types for that.

Slightly radical is what I have in mind, I know I know, not a big difference.

In the end I think that I will continue with this story, got some good feedback, maybe will post any finished work on it here in the future.

All in all I just really wanted a space marine story with some important female characters, I have a had time writing a story without both sexes, don;t know why just do.

**Architech** · 8th July 2011 17:47

Female inquisitor working with the chapter? SoB rescued by the chapter and then traveling with them at the time that they are called to battle....

I'd explore those kinds of options

**herplover** · 8th July 2011 19:53

Originally Posted by Coldfire

Again, I'm no expert, but I wouldn't think a Space Marine Apothecary would waste his time on a guardsman, no matter the rank. It seems like there would be any number of better uses of his time.

This would depend on the chapter.Some chapters see humans themselves almost as pest.Other chapters would definately help a wounded regular soldier or even civilians.Each has their own attitudes towards "normal" humans.Keep in mind if she were an only surviver of a horrific slaughter of her unit the space marines at the very least would likely stabilize her for questioning on what happened.Regardless if it is SoS's fluff and it doesnt change the rules then it is 100% acceptable for him to make a female space marine or 2 or even 1000.

**daddy4count** · 8th July 2011 20:20

it is rumored that cM31 the Space Wolves were on the verge of bypassing the negative effects of the Canis Helix... ensuring a simplified recruitment cycle, etc.

What if one of the Lost Legions (I'd say II, but either works) scattered far enough from the Imperium that they were forced to feminize their gene seed in order to avoid extinction? Their numers decimated by a hive fleet attack, as time drew longer they needed a way to recruit from the amazonian natives on the planet they called Teets.

These women were subjected to a higher-than-Terra gravity fields on their home planet of Teets... causing them to grow larger and stronger than an average human female.

Through thousands of years of trial and error, genetic manipulation, borderline heretic scientific advances... they achieve success. The first female space marine is created cM36 and over 4,000 years the majority of the chapter has been replaced by women. Only a handful of veterans and the chapter master remind the chapter of their chromosomal roots.

...

sadly, every 28 game turns you roll a die. On a 4+ nothing happens... <4 the whole army gets cranky, emotional and craves chocolate... cannot move, shoot or assault that turn.

**198of505** · 9th July 2011 09:58

Originally Posted by Son of Sanguinius

Hmmm, the idea that she could be something other then a actual space marine is interesting but I really wanted her to like in constant contact with the said chapter, can't really like of anyone other then marines and the odd servant types for that.

Slightly radical is what I have in mind, I know I know, not a big difference..

Or rather than radical Ultra Loyalist to the verge of worshipping the Emperor and thus have amazing realtions with the Holy Orders of the SoB and the Church?

In the end I think that I will continue with this story, got some good feedback, maybe will post any finished work on it here in the future.

Plaese do.

All in all I just really wanted a space marine story with some important female characters, I have a had time writing a story without both sexes, don;t know why just do

Again, as Architect says

Originally Posted by Architech

Female inquisitor working with the chapter? SoB rescued by the chapter and then traveling with them at the time that they are called to battle....

seems to be the easiest option.

Originally Posted by daddy4count

sadly, every 28 game turns you roll a die. On a 4+ nothing happens... <4 the whole army gets cranky, emotional and craves chocolate... cannot move, shoot or assault that turn.

Had to giggle.=D>

**Gendoikari87** · 9th July 2011 12:48

Just to clairify there are already female space marines, they're just of the chaos variety and used to be dudes.

These are oh so obviously, slaneeshi CSM.

**Dust** · 11th July 2011 04:01

Read the first section of Index Astartes volume one. Creating Female marines, according to well established 40k background (and a rare example of background that has never been redacted since its inception), is an impossibility.

**MkNalsheen** · 11th July 2011 06:01

Why not simply use the chaos marine rules to represent a bunch of Warrior monk women, gene-bred and from an old world. A Dynasty, perhaps, with fiefdoms and such, lasting through old night, and into the current imperium. Just picture sisters, only using chaos rules to represent the more medieval/traditional fighting styles that a world/system governed and protected by amazonian women would use.

**Thatfatguy** · 20th July 2011 12:36

hmm, another one of these.

The idea has merit, might be feasible if you made it female chaos marines, could be a mutation.

The only fluff I have seen that even partially works is the 'One of the lost Primarchs was a woman' Theory imho

**Miso04** · 26th August 2011 16:52

Isnt this just the same story line as the Smurfs. The Bad guy makes a female to sow discontent in a male dominated soceity lol

**SonsOfStalingrad** · 26th August 2011 17:31

There's a few much, much simpler ways to do this.
1 - Cursed founding in which genomutation makes the marines APPEAR female.
2 - Cursed founding in which the geneseed has mutated to such a degree that it is possible for the marines to be made from females.
3 - If it only works on males, then either a high level of Testorsterone or a low level of Estrogen are prerequisite of the process of creation. This can be controlled through medication even in today's level of technology, so by 999M40..?
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