Daemons...

[CaptainAl]

No previous experience of warhammer but am quite interested in starting a small chaos force.

My question is are daemons include in warrior army's?

[Baragash]

No, however you could use the infantry models as Chosen or Forsaken*

*well, maybe not Forsaken as they aren't very good

If you play with people who are relaxed about it, you could use the Battalion rules to ally in some Daemons.

[CaptainAl]

No, however you could use the infantry models as Chosen or Forsaken*

*well, maybe not Forsaken as they aren't very good

If you play with people who are relaxed about it, you could use the Battalion rules to ally in some Daemons.

Ok well that's settled it. I was only really considering between two army's but with the condition, .....I wanted some daemons in It.

I've no real knowledge on fantasy army's so could someone point me in the right direction to starting a small force of daemons. 1000pts. So I don't start collecting and painting blind. Thanks.

[Liam]

Big Unit of Bloodletters (29+Herald, or 30 Strong) are usually a really good starting point. Add in things like Fiends as rares (they're ace, 6 in a unit will munch a lot), or Daemonettes (again, with a Herald, Siren Song means you can pick your fights at times). They're basically a book you can throw darts at, not hit Screamers and come away with an army which works

[Commissar_Kahl]

The new forgeworld book Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos is supposed to have some rules for mixing daemons and chaos armies I think.

[CaptainAl]

Are there any particular units that work well together.

What's the best hq in a 1000pt list?

Also, is it viable to use a greater daemon in a small list?

[Baragash]

You can only spend 25% of your points on Lords, so no Greater Daemon before 1800 points anyway

[CaptainAl]

You can only spend 25% of your points on Lords, so no Greater Daemon before 1800 points anyway

Ah right. 2000pts list it is then

Does anyone know of a daemon tactica anywhere?

[Baragash]

Does anyone know of a daemon tactica anywhere?

http://www.thedaemoniclegion.com/

[CaptainAl]

http://www.thedaemoniclegion.com/

Perfect. Thanks!

[Strassa]

deamons are a good army to start with because ANYBODY can play them

[CaptainAl]

deamons are a good army to start with because ANYBODY can play them

From reading up on them, that does seem to be the general consensus. They appear to be able compete in all phases.

However, it's easy to just start collecting a mixed gods army but I do feel a pull to a mono army for coolness factor and the ability to dominate a certain phase.

Can't settle on a decision so any advise on reasons to choose a certain direction would help a lot. Cheers.

[Cames99]

Mmmm.... Tzeentch armies will win games if they roll good in a magic phase. When the magic isn't blowing as hard... they struggle a bit more, but are a good magic heavy army and a lord of change pulls two fingers up at most other casters in the game, SC or otherwise.

Khorne armies will cut a bloody swathe through almost anything on the table, but first have to get to the opponent. Juggernaughts are fairly quick but bloodletters aren't... and are not tough by any means. But if you can play the game well and hide behind buildings, khorne will kill lots for the skull god.

Nurgle. Got a more all round feel. A few poison based shooting attacks. Plague spells and T4,5,6 across the board mean these guys will not get tabled easily. They also have problems taking out elite units of enemies as they are far more suited to a war of attrition than hacking apart elites (note, this changes if epidermus is in the army)

Slaanesh. Like nurgle can influence all phases, but is less tough, but almost always strikes before your opponent, which in fantasy is huge as it really does reduce the hurt coming back at your T3 daemonettes. Slaanesh riders are also the fastest cav in the book and hit as hard as most other cav, but at higher I

So theres a run down... not helping at all Cheers

[CaptainAl]

No, that's a great, to the point run down. Thanks.

Still it's a hard decision because I know a mixed army will be a lot more competitive and versatile. I just think the look and feel of a mono god army is just too cool.

Has anybody got any comparative experience?

[Eldritch]

Could always choose a mono god look and theme and "import" the other gods units you want via conversions for example if you wanted to play nurgle theme and wanted tzeentch flamers for whatever reason you could make up some kind of plauge liquid sprayer models to use as flamers in your army.

[Strassa]

or you could play a fantasy army that doesn't make your oppentent want to tackle you to the ground and rip your face off for playing demons in fantasy lol. can you tell im a little bitter demons took away my chance to be a national winner of ard'boys lol

[CaptainAl]

Lol. What is this hatred of daemon players? It's wide spread?

[Strassa]

they dont ever die they dont panic and screw the darn 5 up ward save

[CaptainAl]

Could always choose a mono god look and theme and "import" the other gods units you want via conversions for example if you wanted to play nurgle theme and wanted tzeentch flamers for whatever reason you could make up some kind of plauge liquid sprayer models to use as flamers in your army.

Is this allowed/frowned apron outside friendly games?

[Eldritch]

I dont see why it would be a problem, if they are wysiwyg, clearly different and you say before hand what they are, at most i guess a label on the base would really clinch it - whilst i can only really speak from my own experience I don't think I've ever played anyone who would mind all that much something of this nature.
There was a lot of internet hatred for the daemons in the older edition, they popped up and were immune to a lot of important pych rules etc. They seem to bit a reduced in power with the new rules, but I've only played mono tzeentch since the new book and they are a really hard army to beat.