Next Army

[Callaghan41]

I'm planning to start a second army, and am stuck between Chaos Daemons, Space Wolves, Eldar, and Dark Eldar. Would you suggest Chaos Daemons over Space Wolves/Eldar/Dark Eldar? I do like to win, so I don't want to play an army that always looses.

[PyroSikTh]

No. If you want to win, go Space Wolves or Dark Eldar.

[headlss]

I was comparing Gensteelers to deamonettes. They are both 14 points. The genstealer has more strength more toughness more WS, and still has fleet, has rending. Plus it gets to reroll 1's it doesn't have to deep strike but could out flank instead. Plus it could take upgrades for furious charge poison, and can take a brood lord which is all kinds of awesome. The Deamonettes get 1 more attack and their save is an invaluable save.

Honestly the Deamonettes compare better to the hormagaunts which is a 6 point model. Am I way wrong? Is there something I'm missing? I know you can't compare 1 unit at a time you have to look at the whole army. But the Fast, tricky, troop choice for the deamons isn't very fast and it's not tricky at all. What's gives?

[PyroSikTh]

Your first big problem is your comparing units in one codex to another. It's the same reason why comparing Grey Hunters to Tactical Marines doesn't work. Point costs for units are decided internally to the codex, not externally over all armies.

The second problem in the comparison is your comparing a 4th Edition codex to a 5th Edition codex. It's common knowledge that 5th Edition codices charge less per output than 4th Edition. You can look at Black Templars, Eldar, Dark Angels and Tau to see this in action.

[headlss]

The second problem in the comparison is your comparing a 4th Edition codex to a 5th Edition codex. It's common knowledge that 5th Edition codices charge less per output than 4th Edition. You can look at Black Templars, Eldar, Dark Angels and Tau to see this in action.

I don't know what edition the 'Nids are but the Deamons are 5th. (or that's what the shop who sold them to me said is there a quick way to check the edition?) So shouldn't that make the Deamons a better point value?

About the comparing one unit to another I realize that can be miss leading (I mentioned that in my post). It's dumb to try to make Deamons into 'Nids. From reading the fluff it seamed like the deamonettes and genstealers should be comparable but from the stat line they aren't.

Since we both agree that complaining that deamons aren't as good at being 'Nids as 'Nids are is stupid, how can Deamons be good at being deamons? Khorn and nurgle are tough and khorn hits hard. How can they be sneeky and cleaver and disrupt the enemies plans? Should Deamons even try to be clever?

[jmg202]

you can definitly win with daemons, i won alot with mine before i bought a new army. but that being said, they are still a completely random army and do have a challenging learning curve. but fun none the less. to be competitive it will be a combination of all the gods to win.

[PyroSikTh]

Daemons are 4th Edition. However they were the last codex released before 5th so they are 5th-edition-ready, which isn't quite the same. Nids are certainly 5th Edition.

For what it's worth, you can still win with Daemons, if you build a really boring list and have luck on your side. For that reason I suggested Dark Eldar and Space Wolves instead as you can use pretty much whatever you want and weather a few tactical mistakes.

[headlss]

Started reading your "legions rumors" thread sounds like spiky versions of Marines and Guard. Any rumors of an updated Daemons only codex?

[PyroSikTh]

Chaos Legions is the opposite of that. It's the core Legions - Death Guard, World Eaters, Emperor's Children, Thousand Sons, Night Lords, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion and Black Legion.

The rumour was that the current Chaos Space Marine codex would be spikey marines and Lost and the Damned once that got updated.

A new Daemons codex is a long way out as it has to tie in with the Fantasy schedule as well, and requires the writing of two books not one.

[headlss]

core Legions - Death Guard, World Eaters, Emperor's Children, Thousand Sons, Night Lords, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion and Black Legion.

Aren't these just the space marine legions that followed Horous in his rebellion against the Emperor? How is that different than just more spiky boyz?
Sorry if I seem a little dense I'm a little rusty on my fluff.

[PyroSikTh]

The Legions have been unchanged for about 10,000 years. Spiky Marines are modern Marines gone rogue. For example Legions have Reaper Autocannons instead of Assault Cannons, they don't have access to the new developments in technology such as Razorbacks, Redeemers, Crusaders, Storm Ravens.

[headlss]

Ahhh so spiky boyz with old gear.

They still sound like an MEQ to me. But an MEQ with extra Deamons would be cool.

[PyroSikTh]

Well they are MEQ. They're like what Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Black Templars and Dark Angels are to Space Marines, which means they're Marines, but so much more.