6th edition box

**computertrucker** · 17th January 2012 03:52

So which 2 races, model wise would people like to see included with the 6th edition box set?

I think its time to do something other than Space marines. Thinking the ancient enemies of Eldar and Necrons would be an awesome choice?

Whats everyone else think?

**Andon** · 17th January 2012 03:57

Space Marines are GW's staple. They'll be in it in one way or another.

They won't have any other Imperial army in it, because Imperial vs Imperial just.. not sensible, story-wise.
They won't have similar armies, so that removes Eldar, CSM, and to some extent Necrons

So we're left with Orks, Tyranids, and Tau. I doubt they'll do tau, and they did Orks for 5th so I'd bet on Nids. They, and Orks, are the best "Contrast" to Marines when you look at the average composition of the units and how the "Standard" army of each functions.

EDIT: It's vaugely possible they'd do Grey Knights vs Chaos Demons, but that's about the only other combination I can think up

**Architech** · 17th January 2012 05:03

pretty sure this discussion lasted quite a while in another thread. Moving this to rumors

**SourImplant** · 17th January 2012 05:12

Eldar and Chaos Space Marines. With Plastic Plaguebearers.

@Andon , what about Space Marines v. Dark Eldar? That's what was in the 3rd edition box, I believe.

**SonsOfStalingrad** · 17th January 2012 06:01

They already did 'nids in 4th. So that probably won't be it.
And I thought the rumour mill already suggested there wouldn't be any Imperials in the next box.

**Andon** · 17th January 2012 07:36

SoS: Forgot about that. Although thinking, I thought it was no SM, not no imperials.
Sour: DE completely slipped my mind.

With some new thinking, perhaps we'll see a Non-Marine Imperial army, which opens options up massively. Guard could face pretty much anything but Tau and not be too similar and without running into loyalty issues

**MC Tic Tac** · 17th January 2012 08:42

Lets look to history shall we:

1987 - Rouge Trader: No box set
1993 - 2nd Ed: Marines vs Orks
1998 - 3rd Ed: Marines vs Dark Eldar
2004 - 4th Ed: Marines vs Nids
2008 - 5th Ed: Marines vs Orks

My guess for 6th:
Marines vs some xenos? I'd guess Tau if they are the first Xeno book out in 6th, or good old Orks

**Aeviaan** · 17th January 2012 11:07

... In what way are SM similar to Eldar?

I'm guessing a SM vs. Eldar, because both of them are set to be updated early 6th.

**edmundblack** · 17th January 2012 11:24

Some sort of MEQ would be a dead-cert. Chaos could do it quite nicely I think, especially as things are going to change in the background come 6th. Wouldn't be surprised if it was Chaos + Tau actually. Two very different armies but for once getting centre stage.

**Beeva** · 17th January 2012 11:43

I'd love it to be Nids again, purely from a selfish point of view. Very much doubt it would be.

I can see Marines vs CSM. Ok, the play style is similar but it's the good old fashioned Good Vs Evil battle. It's a classic. My gut feeling is Chaos will be involved. Think about the fluff, the closk is set to tick over into the 42nd Millenium with this release and it feels like there's going to be a big fluff shift with it. Some kind of major event. It almost has to be chaos in my eyes.

**The Dark Pwner** · 17th January 2012 13:14

I think Chaos and Tau to be honest. Chaos; basically because of what Beeva said, and Tau because out of all the other races, their the most likely to change.

Also dont forget games workshop have hinted that new races are coming, it just takes time to fit them into the fluff. Although i seriously seriously doubt their'l be in the new box set...

**SonsOfStalingrad** · 17th January 2012 13:34

I'd wager a new army would never make it into the starter box - they'd need to make simple snapfit versions of something that's already a massive investment that then invariably would not sell well because it'd be in the starter box.
I'd say the likely candidates are armies that have had their new updated sprues already, some time ago, and don't neccessarily sell all that well - see, having marines in the starter... they sell without the need for that. AOBR saves marine players so much money, many of us own more than one copy just to save cash. Better to keep your main seller out of the box to extort as much as possible and put two lesser-selling armies in there so that it can promote interest in those and hopefully, the investment of making the new sprues, which all beginners (GW's target audience) will have, they will increase sales of the lesser selling armies, as invariably, people will continue one of the armies present in the starter box.
With that in mind, I would rule out Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Dark Eldar and Necrons. Because cash cow, spiky cash cow, new releases with tons of work put into sprues recently.
Nids would be a good one to draw people towards it, many of their sprues weren't revised too much... I'd say Tau, IG, Chaos Demons and possibly the Eldar are likely contenders. Orks I only say probably won't be because they're in the current one.

**daddy4count** · 17th January 2012 15:37

The rumors I read last year pointed to a new box set style... one army + rules + character per box. You can combine two or more boxes together to create a game.

Rumors were that it would not be Ultramarines... and would not be xenos.

Prevailing wisdom at the time pointed to a Chaos Legions (Since they would be new in 6th) vs. Dark Angels... because they were the rumored 6ED power armor book.

But with the way things are looking... could be Legions and Black Templar

I think it would be a departure for GW to go this route... since they have a pretty good thing going with the 2 army box set idea.

But it would also open things up to add more than just two choices. Think Battleforce box style with a book and Finecast IC.

**Xarboth** · 17th January 2012 16:15

Didn't someone somewhere mention the recent megaforces as a sign to what would be in the next box? IIRC, the WHFB megaforces released were High Elves and Skaven - both the armies in the starter box. In 40k it was SM and DE that were in the megaforces, so a SMvDE starter box?

**daddy4count** · 17th January 2012 16:18

Possible, but I don't see GW duplicating efforts like that.

If they were planning to release those armies as the 6ED box they probably wouldn't be pushing them in the Megaforce sets too.

But then again I have never grasped their business strategy...

**Andon** · 17th January 2012 16:40

Neither have I. It seems to be all over the place. Some things they do are smart. Others... terrible ideas.

**stormlord** · 17th January 2012 18:23

Originally Posted by SonsOfStalingrad

I'd wager a new army would never make it into the starter box - they'd need to make simple snapfit versions of something that's already a massive investment that then invariably would not sell well because it'd be in the starter box.

I would like to point out that DE were a new army in the starter box for 3rd ed

With that said, they had moved away from snapfit and were going completely multiposable at that point.

**SonsOfStalingrad** · 17th January 2012 19:14

I would like to point out that those DE were identical to the actual DE. They were the same models.
Nowadays, GW make the starter sets snapfit so that they're newbie friendly. Therefore a new army would be unlikely to be used as they need a new model AND a snapfit model which isn't as good as the new model - counterproductive to costs. And they'd never ONLY have a snapfit. the army would be notoriously unpopular if that were the case.