1850 :)

[MDWSXE92]

Vulkan 190
Terminator assault squad with thunder hammers and storm shields 200
Land Raider Redeemer with multimelta, hunter killer missile, extra armour 275

Lysander 200
10 veterans with 5 combi melta, 5 combi flamer,power weapon 315
drop pod with locator beacon 45

Scout squad, 4 camo cloaks,missile launcher and Telion 147

5 scout to close combat with melta bombs, combi melta and power weapon 105
landspeeder with multimelta 60

ironclad Dreadnought with heavy flamer (10 p.t) 2 hunter missiles and assault luncher 180
drop pod with locator beacon 45

whirldwhind 85

[Arlins]

scouts with telion dont need cloaks as he grants stealth to the squad , and by veterans do you mean sternguard ?
whirlwinds arnt brill ( hardly ever see themused to be honest ) and a little heavy on HQ for 1850 for me .

[MDWSXE92]

A ok ^^ Yes i mean stenguard..whirldwind is usefull against army with a lots of infantery or to fuck a cover XD

[Angelofblades]

A ok ^^ Yes i mean stenguard..whirldwind is usefull against army with a lots of infantery or to fuck a cover XD

While you have described the function of the whirlwin, you have failed to recognized it's effectiveness. Which as Arlins has said "arent brill."

[MDWSXE92]

i'm sorry but i don't understand very well english,but the problem is that it has a high ap? ( 4 or 5)