want to field Wraiths? heres how...

[wookieplus]

Ok so Wraiths are currently OOP. Annoying, because they are a key element to a Necron fast-attack based army.

However, at the Throne of Skulls tournament last week, I saw a necron army with a very effective solution: The guy used Tomb Kings Sepulchral Stalkers. They needed conversion to make the tails fit on a 40mm base (the stalkers come on 50x100mm bases) but they painted up really well and looked superb on the tabletop. Better, I felt, than the actual wraith model, which is a bit skinny for my taste. Furthermore its a plastic model so lends itself much better to conversion.

Wish I'd thought of that! Too late for my army for the moment. However, I'm passing on the tip for those who are interested in fielding wraiths. if anyone does the conversion, please post here how you get on.

[PyroSikTh]

Or you could buy old ones from eBay...or wait until later this month when they get a new model...

[Badarmies2]

I had 6 oldones along with 4 pariahs the new wraiths are going to look very different.

[Cryptek of Awesome]

I had 3 of the old ones. I loved the old model - but couldn't see myself tracking down enough of them on Ebay to make a unit that I want so I reluctantly sold mine on ebay so someone else would have a complete & Matching army.

The Tomb King Stalker model is a good idea and probably one of the best cross-overs. I know a Tomb King player that bought a box of Lychguard to go the other way.

[Badarmies2]

So you peaked my curiosity, those stalkers are bad ass. If wraiths aren't part of the second wave this month I might have to do some stalker conversions.

[Cryage]

I have 12x of the old models, supposidly the wraiths will share a box with spiders so now i just need to buy a few spiders. I love the old models and dont think wraiths should be spiders, but thats just my opinion

[Badarmies2]

Speaking of old models I had a chance to buy 10 more metal flayed ones for 40 bucks, it would have given my 20 total, I was thinking how awesome would that be 3 attacks base, 13 points each, outflanking, I was like why am I not playing the 10 I have...that's right they are I2 and can't outflank/infiltrate with character. They can DS with a destroyer lord at least. I passed on the opportunity.

[Morollan]

Speaking of old models I had a chance to buy 10 more metal flayed ones for 40 bucks, it would have given my 20 total, I was thinking how awesome would that be 3 attacks base, 13 points each, outflanking, I was like why am I not playing the 10 I have...that's right they are I2 and can't outflank/infiltrate with character. They can DS with a destroyer lord at least. I passed on the opportunity.

Flayed Ones have got to be one of the worst "assault" troops in the game. 3 attacks at I2 with no power weapons, fists, rending or basically anything to make them remotely dangerous! My opponents would just thank me for the kill points before kicking their arses and watching the sweeping advance destroy them completely.

[Deffgames]

I think Flayed Ones will become Dangerous in 6th, Why in the hell would it be smart to deepstrike them in the enemy turn (with Imhotekh)? Same for Deathmarks, must be something in 6th that makes them good, like the monolith which also is a seeming peek at vehicle's no longer being crippled by ordnance weapons.

[Aeviaan]

It would be smart to deepstrike in the enemies turn so you can assault sooner. You have to sit around waiting for one turn anyway, regarless of what happens. This just moves your assault ahead a turn.

[PyroSikTh]

I can see the point of DSing Flayed Ones in your opponents turn more than I can see the point in DSing Deathmarks in your opponents turn, for reasons Aeviaan pointed out above.

[joedrache]

i converted my wraiths from spare parts. i bought a box of lychguard, built lyches, ibought a ghost ark, built a doom ark. so with the repair spines from the ghost arks as their snake body, i used praetorian(and deathmark torsos) to top the wraiths off, throw in some p casters for wound allocation, and i used the praetorian spinal attachment with lychguard loin covers as lash whips. these ones ended up having power fists and lightbing claws for their offhands, but you could use hp swords or any cc arm too. just a good way to use up all those spare bits

[wookieplus]

I can see the point of DSing Flayed Ones in your opponents turn more than I can see the point in DSing Deathmarks in your opponents turn, for reasons Aeviaan pointed out above.

Agreed. As Flayed Ones dont have shooty, they can do nothing on the turn they are brought down. Bringing them down in your oppos turn means that you can use them in your turn. If they survive, of course.

[StainlessSteel47]

Flayed Ones have got to be one of the worst "assault" troops in the game. 3 attacks at I2 with no power weapons, fists, rending or basically anything to make them remotely dangerous! My opponents would just thank me for the kill points before kicking their arses and watching the sweeping advance destroy them completely.

You know, I was wondering about that but this just sealed my thoughts. For assault troops or 'berserker units' they really don't have anything going for them. It'd be nice if they were given a power weapon and preferred enemy or something to give them at least a small edge over other basic assault troops when deep striking or infiltrating.

As for the wraiths, I'll wait for the official models because I think in the second wave they won't be using a skill head anymore. The codex has a picture of the wraith with a more mechanical scarab/spider like head rather than a steel skull to show that it is a cynoptek robot rather than a once living Necrontyr.

[Aeviaan]

I am thinking of trying a small unit of flayed ones purely as a throwaway outflanker, to keep gunline armies more crowded towards the center of the board to be honest. A unit of 10 should be sufficient for very little investment. Alternatively, if you know you are facing Orks, a blob of 20 doesn't sound that bad. But I don't agree with list smithing.

[wookieplus]

If you get Stormlord (I think its him - no codex to hand), a unit of Flayed Ones get the benefit of no DS scatter if deploying near a target. Having a non-scattering CC unit which can appear on oppos turn so can move and charge in your first turn has value. But....meh. I still wouldnt use them.

[yWizePapaSmurfy]

If you get Stormlord (I think its him - no codex to hand), a unit of Flayed Ones get the benefit of no DS scatter if deploying near a target. Having a non-scattering CC unit which can appear on oppos turn so can move and charge in your first turn has value. But....meh. I still wouldnt use them.

You can't charge first turn...How are you DS'ing in the enemy Turn? Maybe combining Nemesor Zhan and Stormlord for a awesome 400 points in HQ to be able to do this but...Meh Flayed Ones.

There is no such thing as a gun-line army anymore if the opponent plays well. But the "throwaway" FO unit has always been a "concept" never been attempted because it probably IS meh, so if you do try it for us, report back.

[Aeviaan]

Will do. Unfortunately, the models are holding me back. I don't like the new ones enough to justify the cost, the old ones are almost non-existent anymore, and I only currently posses two of them.

[wookieplus]

You can't charge first turn

sorry, bad posting on my part. All i meant was 'you may be able to charge in the next turn you get after they have DSed'. Sorry.

[Morollan]

Made me laugh in one of the recent WD's with the Necron "Tactica" which stated that many opponents would be so terrified of Flayed Ones appearing via DS or Outflanking that it would completely throw their plans into disarray as they divert forces to deal with them.

Either that or they completely ignore them...