is this a dirty necron list?, help a brother out! :P

[reshy]

not sure about this 1k list, going to be taking it to tournaments if it works, but i want your opinions!

Necron Overlord
pharon
res orb
warscyth
total 150

cryptek
gaze of flame
harbinger of destruction
total 45

cryptek
harbinger of destruction
total 35

TROOPS

8 warriors
ghost ark
total 245

9 warriors
ghost ark
total 245

7 immortals
total 170

HEAVY SUPPORT

monolith
total 200




basically its a faily simple list, start off with the immortals and overlord advancing and shooting, this shouldnt be too bad given how durable the unit is. both squads of warriors in the ghost arks covered up, and the monolith will probably scare the shiz out of people so most of the little amount of anti tank will probably go to that instead of the ghost arks, (especialy given this is an under 16'yrs tournament and the kiddies generaly shoot at whatever is biggest and also i have the eternity gate for my warriors and more likely immortals to take advantage of

tell me what you think!

[PyroSikTh]

It looks very similar to my 1,000pt list, except I have Scarabs and Annihilation Barge instead of Monolith, and a Warscythe on my Overlord.

...Which is pretty much my only criticism. The Overlord really wants a Warscythe. It's too good to go without.

[reshy]

It looks very similar to my 1,000pt list, except I have Scarabs and Annihilation Barge instead of Monolith, and a Warscythe on my Overlord.

...Which is pretty much my only criticism. The Overlord really wants a Warscythe. It's too good to go without.

i wont argue that its an amazing upgrade, but it doesnt really fit the purpose of what i want him and the unit hes with (the immortals) to do, the only time i really see it necessary is if i use my gate on the monolith to pop them right behind the enemy

[PyroSikTh]

Well you're not going to be charging your Immortals in, but having a Warscythe in the unit makes your opponent think twice about assaulting them. A S7 Power Weapon on a T5 model with Ever-Living is a scary prospect. As assault is the Necron's worst enemy, just having some kind of Close Combat element in a unit is priceless.

Put it this way, your Immortals get assaulted when your Overlord doesn't have a Warscythe. Chances are you'll lose combat, and due to your low I you're going to get swept. Bye bye unit. Now for the low low price of 10pts give the Overlord a Warscythe. Suddenly when you get assaulted, you stand a good chance of winning, or at least drawing combat. Hey-presto, your unit is still on the table! Raise your dead and continue on.

[reshy]

Well you're not going to be charging your Immortals in, but having a Warscythe in the unit makes your opponent think twice about assaulting them. A S7 Power Weapon on a T5 model with Ever-Living is a scary prospect. As assault is the Necron's worst enemy, just having some kind of Close Combat element in a unit is priceless.

Put it this way, your Immortals get assaulted when your Overlord doesn't have a Warscythe. Chances are you'll lose combat, and due to your low I you're going to get swept. Bye bye unit. Now for the low low price of 10pts give the Overlord a Warscythe. Suddenly when you get assaulted, you stand a good chance of winning, or at least drawing combat. Hey-presto, your unit is still on the table! Raise your dead and continue on.

very true, i guess it makes a lot of sence when you look at it that way

[Memnarch]

The build looks solid and fun. Its good to see someone using the Monolith. I still think its a beautiful piece of iconic Necron machinery. But I will agree with Pyro in that you need a warscythe for pure psychtactics.

[Badarmies2]

This list will get smashed at tournaments using current meta. It has zero dirty tricks or surprises.

[PyroSikTh]

Dirty Tricks or Surprises =/= success at Tournaments. Especially seeing as most Tournament players make an effort to learn how to tackle every dirty trick or "surprise" in the game, making the point kind of moot. Dirty Tricks and Surprises only work on new players, and Tournaments don't tend to see many new players.

[Badarmies2]

The op asked if it was dirty, its not, I don't believe I ever made the assertion dirty/surprise=success. As far as the current meta goes he has nothing to deal with the AV 11/12 meta.

[PyroSikTh]

As far as the current meta goes he has nothing to deal with the AV 11/12 meta.

You mean apart from 40 Gauss Flayers, 10 Gauss Blasters, Particle Whip and 4 Gauss Flux Arcs?

[Badarmies2]

You mean apart from 40 Gauss Flayers, 10 Gauss Blasters, Particle Whip and 4 Gauss Flux Arcs?

I am going to assume you don't play tournaments and leave it at that if you think those are a reasonable amount of firepower to deal the Spam lists. Glancing hits do not get it done, not to mention every single one of those guns is outranged.

[PyroSikTh]

Geez dude, it's only 1,000pts. Not even Dark Eldar or Imperial Guard can spam vehicles that much in 1,000pts. Also yes, glancing does do the job because then you're constantly being a hindrance to their vehicles, stopping them from moving and/or shooting for a turn or the rest of the game, making the use of those vehicles unpredictable at best. Sure he's not going to destroy many without some lucky hits, and that's why I have Scarabs in my list, but I really don't think he's going to do too badly against a 1,000pt Mech list.

[Badarmies2]

Not trying to be too big a dick but I don't think this list has a chance. Last 1k tourney I went to my buddy won and this was his list.

15 Grey Hunters - 3x Meltagun
12 Long Fangs - 10xMissile Launcher
5 Razorback LasTLPlas
1 Rune Priest in Power Armour - JOTWW, LL

It crushed most his opponents and they never even had range. If we assume range with 60 gause shots its 40 hits and about 7 glances and thats best case scenario. I just don't want this guy to go to a tournament expecting a solid performance when his list is really on the lower rung of competitive lists. My opinion is he needs some more AV.

When the word competitive or tournament is used in a post I pretty much go to the WAAC category of lists because even in a "friendly" LGS tournament if there is a prize on the line someone will show up with a list like the above mentioned one.

[Memnarch]

I totally missed out the part ''going to tournies'' sorry bout that. I will not myself go anyways near a tourny with my Crons so I fold and leave the advice to the pros.

[Venerable Ironclad]

I am not really big on tournament play, but I feel that I have a few suggestions none the less. The big thing I notice is a lack of anti armor. Gauss is good but it only gets you so far. My big suggestion to fix this is to remove one warrior from each warrior squad and add a Harbinger of Destruction to them. Now I don't think it fair to say you should add something without giving a suggestion on how, so my suggestion would be to remove the 2 warriors, 2 immortals, and the pharon upgrade. This gives you 80 points enough to add 2 Harbingers of Destruction to your list with 10 points to spare, maybe give your lord a warscythe. Again I am not a tournament expert, so make of this what you want.

[Badarmies2]

One other thing I might mention on the tournament front. I managed to suck out a win a few weeks back and one of the other necron players there suggested I drop the immortals for warriors so I would have more points for other things like additional Spyders. At the time I agreed with him, but post game analysis would lead me to believe I may have stumbled into yet another dimension of the meta game where my list be it luck happened to be prepared for it. Warriors are a sv of 4+ while immortals a 3+. In the current meta game there AP4 spam is pretty rampant. PsyDreads and PsyBacks are both AP4 as are Storm Eagles (Manticore) and standard heavy bolters which make up a huge part of the current meta. That extra point of save can be a world of difference if you aren't getting cover or are in a close game.

[yWizePapaSmurfy]

Also, Immortals with Teslas work fundamentally different from Warriors, IMO.

[reshy]

OK so the list has been updated taking some of your suggestions into account, there is a bit more at punch in the form of the crypteks, but im really unsure about taking of the warriors and the immortals, one thing that id rather not make compromise about is taking out the monolith, because used correctly it can be quite useful for the foot slogging warriors and immortals to take obj/ outflank ect ect... also a lot of people don't know much about the crons yet, so they will tend to pour fire into that, giving me the space to do what i want with the rest of my things. and also if nothing else its just really cool, underused and it really is just a beautiful peace of necron machinery

[yWizePapaSmurfy]

banking people on not knowing Crons is not reasonable, IMO, but the Lith *can* kinda live if you manage to bait melta teams to try to go for something else.

Personally would drop the Immortals + Gaze of Flame for 2 Annhilation Barges

[reshy]

and just for the record to void confusiong i didnt really mean "dirty" as in dirty takings and what not, i kinda meant just a good list should have worded differently in hindsight