Ymgarls

[Inaspin]

Quick question that came up in a game last night.

When the Ymgarls arrive, inside a piece of terrain occupied by an enemy unit, they then charge. Does the Ymgarl unit strike at initiative 1, as if they just arrived in the terrain?

We played it as: not intiative 1, as it was imagined they occupied the terrain all along. Does any ruling refer to this though in codex or main rule book to clarify?

[Sybrite]

going by RAW they strike at I1 because they have assaulted through terrain without assault grenades

it's all clearly laid out on pg 36 of the main rule book

[Inaspin]

Thanks...damn it.

Then a charge from within the terrain to a enemy unit just outside it is....

[daddy4count]

there is no penalty for charging a unit that is not in cover... as long as you're not in difficult or dangerous terrain you should assault at regular initiative, I believe.

[Angelofblades]

Quick question that came up in a game last night.

When the Ymgarls arrive, inside a piece of terrain occupied by an enemy unit, they then charge. Does the Ymgarl unit strike at initiative 1, as if they just arrived in the terrain?

We played it as: not intiative 1, as it was imagined they occupied the terrain all along. Does any ruling refer to this though in codex or main rule book to clarify?

What difference is there if they occupied the terrain all along?

The rules for charging into terrain are simple. If you charge in/ while in/ out of terrain, you strike at I1, unless you have assault grenades.

[daddy4count]

What difference is there if they occupied the terrain all along?

I believe that part of the question pertains to arriving from Reserve...?

[Pox]

The rules for charging into terrain are simple. If you charge in/ while in/ out of terrain, you strike at I1, unless you have assault grenades.

THIS. all stealers took a massive hit when they lost the grenade rule (old skool flesh hooks.) Even charging out of terrain makes you I1 it is that simple.

[Angelofblades]

I believe that part of the question pertains to arriving from Reserve...?

Ymgarls pop out of terrain when they arrive in reserve, they get the benefit that they don't actually DS into the terrain, they just appear (this means they dont have to take dangerous terrain tests). But the point still stands, how does it change the fact that they are still charging in/ while in/ out of terrain?

Answer: It doesn't.

Let's look at this hypothetical.

Let's say that Vanguard veteran space marines DIDNT have frag grenades.

They DS down next to a target that is in terrain, they charge, are now I1 for that round.

[birdman1811]

That is the one thing they need to fix in the next Codex (A long way off i know.) 'Nids NEED some form of grenades for attacking, otherwise, as we see now, our main strength get's hit badly. Even if it's an option for extra points.