Painting & Modelling Q and A

[gralph!?!]

well.... looking at alot of threads in the painting forum, i noticed a fair few threads asking for help doing certain effects and how to model such andsuch. basicly lots of questions. due to these, belzebub, ricky chang and myself have agreed to make this thread.

the purpose of the thread is to allow people to ask questions about painting or modeling and we can give you the help you need. no longer will you need to post the threadasking about it since we will help you if it is posted in this thread (it is alot easier to read them all from one thread than in multiple threads)

so guys, be it from mold line removal to dusting a model with white , brom drybrushing to Non Metalic Metals feel free to ask.

[Belzebub]

Thats it gralph!?!........Brethren....feel free to ask, there are no silly questions.

[DCB]

Seeing as you mentioned it Gralph, how the hell do you do NMM?

Good idea for a thread may I add

[gralph!?!]

there are numerous ways to do NMM. the main things you need to worry about before trying is practicing with watered down paints, this is a MUST in order to achieve the effects.

for the most part it is getting the surface, blend it from light to dark then put on a sever highlight of white or off white along the darker edges and a smaller one on the lighter areas.

i may have to get my camera sorted to do a tutorial.

[wartyg]

how do i do scrolls and crusader seals

[Novasry]

hate to steal the thundert of the experts but i just paint the bleach bone, little bit of highlighting, and scribble away

[gralph!?!]

how do i do scrolls and crusader seals

much like what novasrt said, but instead of bleached bone, paint the scrolls in khemri brown or graveyard earth first. after that highlight with bleached bone along the edges, it will look more anceint and for the writting, get a fine detail brush and try to paint small wavy lines so it looks like writing.

for the wax seel then paint it in red then give it a brown wash of paint or ink.

[×ÏVÏøøÐz×]

I have a question, its probably fairly simple, but I struggle a small bit with it. How do you paint flesh? Currently I base with Scorched Brown, then Graveyard Earth, and then I highlight with Dwarf Flesh, and a final Highlight of Elf Flesh. Its okay I suppose for TT quality, but I would like to know how actual good painters like yourselves do it, as my painting is dreadful. I mainly would like to know how you do faces in particular.

[gralph!?!]

I have a question, its probably fairly simple, but I struggle a small bit with it. How do you paint flesh? Currently I base with Scorched Brown, then Graveyard Earth, and then I highlight with Dwarf Flesh, and a final Highlight of Elf Flesh. Its okay I suppose for TT quality, but I would like to know how actual good painters like yourselves do it, as my painting is dreadful. I mainly would like to know how you do faces in particular.

honestly, it isn't all that difficult.

thebasics of how i paint flesh, i start with a medium to light colour, so the dwarf flesh, then i shade where i want then highlight a little above it to get a smoother look with more colour.

the way you do it, is fine although i strongly recommend you ditch the elf flesh and scorched brown, you do not need a really dark base when painting a face to a high standard so the scorched brown looks funny, good on table top but if you look at it close up it just looks wierd (i do all my painting up close and personal so i cannot do it the with dark lines everywhere) and the elf flesh is way too light when doing your style of skin tone. maybe if you use a little bronzed flesh mixed with the dwarf flesh and try it out that way. it will look better than the elf flesh and scorched brown combo. .

[×ÏVÏøøÐz×]

Alright, thank you! I'll have to try to do that when I paint next. I was only really applying scorched brown I think, because I found graveyard earth comes out too thinly on its own, so I thought it needed a base. I suppose though, with dwarf flesh ontop, it doesnt matter as much.

[Ricky Chang]

since i am in the other side of the earth from most of you, so probably be answer questions for those sleepless souls.
i am no good in flesh and nmm, so ill just leave those parts for gralph and Belzebub.

how do i do scrolls and crusader seals

i do scroll and purity seal this way; a well covered layer of bleached bones, ink with Gryphonne Sepia in 3 to 4 layer depends on how aged effect of the scroll you want it be. when inking with Gryphonne Sepia, remember to wait the previous ink layer completely dry otherwise the new painted ink will wash up the previous one. finally highlight the edges with thinned white. the Citadel inks dry up glossy, so give a matt varnish to the painted area to tone down the gloss.

[Crimthaan]

This question is for Baz...

I'm starting to paint Dark Angels again. 1) Should I continue to do my idea of a. paint DA green over black and then just dry brush whole mini with snot green, or b. highlight edges with snot green instead of drybrushing.

Also, would it be possible to have a picture session made up by you for painting DeathWing?

Thanks!

[Novasry]

another question, source lighting... HOW

[Belzebub]

another question, source lighting... HOW

How what? How to achieve, or how to see what should be enlighted?

For the what to see: Use a flashlight (from above,from the side) where you should brighten up the colors.

[Belzebub]

This question is for Baz...

I'm starting to paint Dark Angels again. 1) Should I continue to do my idea of a. paint DA green over black and then just dry brush whole mini with snot green, or b. highlight edges with snot green instead of drybrushing.

Also, would it be possible to have a picture session made up by you for painting DeathWing?

Thanks!

Holy s.h.t. no snotgreen, 'cause they're looking after that like salamanders.

1. Basecoat Black
2. Paint the whole thing with vallejo military green.
3. Mix Vallejo military green + Dark Angels green + Badmoon Yellow
and paint the highest parts with this mixture
3. Wash with badab black
4. let it dry
5. Now its time for the extra highlights: the mix from (3.) mix with white and paint the edges with this mix.
6. Mix DA Green with much wather and give the green a wash again.
7. Let it dry, make some freehands, put on "transfershits" and seal that thing.

refer to my pics...

Deathwing:

1. Basecoat Black, let it dry, Basecoat white (as you can see in my tread, don't wanna write a book at this place about that)

2. Paint the whole thing with a mixture of bleached bone and graveyard earth.

3. Paint the highest parts and other sharp armor parts with bleached bone,

4. Gryphone Sephia wash the whole thing, let it dry, dry, and dry.

5. For the deepest parts use Vallejo Smoke thinned with wather.

6. Now highlight that whole thing with a mix of skullwhite and bleached bone.

7. Voilá, c'est fini...You've got a beautiful, old lookin' Deathwing Terminator armor.

Coolminiornot rating: 8.3

Questions? look at my Belial pics in my thread, search the sides so you can learn more about my basecoating-technique!

[Brother-Captain Sharp]

Also this is an addendum, but drybrushing is a technique leaned upon by more inexperienced painters, but it really hampers your development. I'd suggest abandoning it for blended highlights. While more intially difficult, it will increase the looks of your model significantly.

[Belzebub]

I have a question, its probably fairly simple, but I struggle a small bit with it. How do you paint flesh? Currently I base with Scorched Brown, then Graveyard Earth, and then I highlight with Dwarf Flesh, and a final Highlight of Elf Flesh. Its okay I suppose for TT quality, but I would like to know how actual good painters like yourselves do it, as my painting is dreadful. I mainly would like to know how you do faces in particular.

1. Basecoat white ,Paint the (for example) head with P3 Midlund flesh.
2. Paint the eyes completely black (eyeballs too)
3. Give him a wash with P3 Fleshwash thinned with wather
3. Let it dry
4. Paint the highest parts of the face with wather thinned Midlund flesh againg (not too much wather, it shouldn't rinse into the facefolds.
5. Mix P3 Midlundflesh with Vallejo Basic Skintone 2:1 and highlight the highest parts in the face again.
6. Once again Vallejo Basic skintone to the very highest parts in the face.
7. Now use a flashlight from above and use Vallejo Basic Skintone mixed with white for the parts of the face enlighted from above from the flashlight.
8. Paint the eyes white and leave a black line around the white, paint the iris.

Ready...but takes 1 or 2 hours...

[wartyg]

how could i paint my chaplains skull i have tried bleached bone and skull white

[tone.tran]

Using browns in the recesses will drastically improve the skull look. I'm sure someone else can give a more detailed and better answer but start with a brown and work up to a mix of bleached bone/skull white (or equivalents)

[donanton]

how could i paint my chaplains skull i have tried bleached bone and skull white

Baragash said in the painting shoulders thread:

I did Codex Grey -> Fortress Grey -> Skull White on the few BTs I painted. I found one coat of white was fine.

to get a solid white for black templar shoulder pads. Try that for a white skull.